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    Anyone out there using a PPS-100 to sync tape to DAW via MTC?

    This is what I got.
    Teac 80-8 / PPS-100 /presonus fire tube or M-audio uno midi interface / Cubase 4.

    My issue seems that I cant get my midi interface to read the MTC because I do not think I am sending it from the PPS-100 correctly. I poked around with the PPS for some time and found out that I had to engage the MTC from the setup menu. This got the midi interface to light saying its receiving signal, but cubase is not recognizing like it would if I were to plugin a standalone midi device.

    I am confident that I have cubase setup properly to receive MTC and to chase it. I do however believe that I am overlooking something with the PSS like i did with turning on the MTC from the setup feature.

    Thanks!

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    Do you have the manaul for the PPS-100? I have one of these, but frankly have never used it, it came with a stack of other gear....

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    I'd say it's almost certainly a software issue. I don't know Cubase, but on Rosegarden you can select which interfaces to accept input from and it won't work unless the port containing the MTC signal is being listened to.

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    The PPS 100 is amazing! I highly doubt its the PPS that has the problem. If you have your tape striped, your time set up in the PPS correctly, then your software is being quacky. But, just to make sure.

    You need to have your SMPTE out channel (from your tape deck) into the Input (audio) of the PPS. THen you want the MIDI OUT of the PPS into the MIDI IN of the interface. Now, the pps will "read" the stripe on your tape, convert it to MTC, and put the MTC through MIDI cable and into your software.
    -Nate








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    I do have the manual but it does not say anything about setting up anything to send MTC out. The PPS is following the tape just fine but can not get cubase to recognize the incoming MTC from the pps. I followed the cubase manual for setting up sync and reading MTC from midi in but nothing happens. Cubase has a indicator on the transport panel when it is receiving midi in. If I plug in a standalone midi device it turns on. When the pps is running nothing happens in cubase even though the light on the interface says its receiving signal.

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    Below is an exerpt from the manual. This part is crucial to getting your software to Sync to the Tape. Did you follow these steps already? If so, we'll have to keep trouble shooting.

    Quote Originally Posted by PPS100 Manual
    Tempo Map
    There is no natural correlation between SMPTE time and tempo.
    That is, the time of day has nothing to do with how fast or how slow a song should play. To
    “convert” SMPTE to MIDI Clock with Song Position Pointer requires specifying a relationship
    between the two. That is, at what time does the sequence begin? At what meter and tempo? At
    what beat does the tempo change? All of this information must be provided by the user in
    order for a SMPTE- to-MIDI Clock device to operate. A collection of tempo changes entered
    into the PPS-100 is called a Tempo Map.
    If, however, one is using MIDI Time Code instead of MIDI Clock, no such Tempo Map is
    programmed into the PPS-100. In this case, the PPS-100 is set up to output MTC. A Tempo
    Map is programmed into the sequencer itself.
    Locking a MIDI Sequencer, Drum Machine, or Cue-list program to SMPTE.
    The PPS-100 will synchronize MIDI devices to SMPTE in one of three different ways:
    (1) MIDI Clock with Song Position Pointer: This is the most common application for the PPS-
    100, since almost every MIDI sequencer and drum machine can recognize these commands.
    The PPS-100, upon receipt of SMPTE, will calculate song position and tempo based on the
    “tempo map” you have programmed. Then it will send out a MIDI Song Position Pointer
    message, followed by MIDI Continue and Clock messages.
    The PPS-100 must be at least be programmed with a “Start Cue”, which consists of a Start
    Time, Meter, and Tempo. The PPS-100 can hold only one of these at a time, and must be reprogrammed
    for each song.
    (2) MIDI TIME CODE (MTC): This timing command is recognized by most software-based
    sequencers, digital audio workstations, and hard disk recorders. This function is selected from
    the Setup Menu. Upon receipt of SMPTE, the PPS-100 will directly convert the time-code
    stream into the MTC format. There is nothing else that must be programmed into the PPS-100.
    The Start time is entered on the sequencer. It is usually called the Offset Time (again, on the
    sequencer, not on the PPS-100.)
    (3) DIRECT TIME LOCK (DTL):
    This can be used only with Mark of the Unicorn’s Performer™ sequencing program for the
    Macintosh computer. (That program also works very well with MIDI Clock and Song Position
    Pointer. You may chose not to use DTL if you are planning on simultaneously locking
    Performer™ and another sequencer or drum machine.)
    Determine which one of these three kinds of MIDI timing messages you want the PPS-100 to
    send out while receiving SMPTE.
    To select MIDI Clock with Song Position Pointer (also called MIDI Clock), MTC or DTL,
    select SETUP ? from the Main Menu. (From the top of the Main Menu, press NO four times.)
    Answer YES.
    Then press ENTER or YES two more times to display the current SMPTE to MIDI function. If
    you agree, press either YES or ENTER. If you disagree, press NO.
    If M.Clock ON is displayed, and you press NO, the display becomes MTC ON. Press YES or
    ENTER to enable MTC. If you press NO again, the display reads DTL ON. Press YES or
    ENTER to enable DTL.
    If you answer YES to M.Clock ON, the display then gives you the option of either FAST SPP
    or SLOW SPP.
    When the PPS-100 is set for M.Clock ON, FAST SPP, MIDI clock commands are sent out very
    soon after a Song Position Pointer (SPP). Nearly all sequencers and drum machines chase and
    lock almost instantaneously. However, a few machines (most notably the Korg DDD-1) have
    sluggish chase times. The PPS-100 accommodates these devices with SLOW SPP. When
    SLOW SPP is selected, the PPS-100 waits a few seconds after sending out the SPP to allow
    time for the slaved device to chase. Then MIDI continue and clock commands are sent out as
    usual.
    The result is that the “slow” device will still locate and lock, but you will have to allow a little
    “pre-roll” time. That is, instead of fast winding tape to the exact location that you want a
    sequencer to locate, you would wind the tape to a point a few seconds before the desired
    location to allow everything time to lock up.
    After making your selection, press CLEAR to return to the top of the Main Menu.
    IMPORTANT
    Before doing any synchronizer programming, the PPS-100 must be told what SMPTE frame
    rate to expect. The frame rate may be selected either manually or automatically.
    • To select frame rate automatically, simply send a short sample of the code that you intend
    to use into the PPS-100.
    • To select frame rate manually, follow the instructions for striping tape, allowing a second of
    code generation.
    • If you have just completed a stripe operation, you may ignore this because you have already
    selected a frame rate.
    You will need to program into the PPS-100 a starting time, meter, tempo, every tempo change,
    and a stop time. (Remember, you have to tell the PPS-100 exactly what you want it to do with
    incoming SMPTE time code, since there is no inherent quality in SMPTE time that has any
    relationship to how fast or slow a sequence should run.) If the sequence has no tempo changes,
    you will need to enter at least a Start Time, Meter, and Tempo. The tempo range is from 24 to
    250 B.P.M.
    Here is a very simple example of how to program this into the PPS-100:
    Say that you have a song recorded on a sequencer that you want to start playing when the PPS-
    100 receives SMPTE time 00:05:30:00. (That is , five minutes and thirty seconds.) The tempo
    of the song is 173 beats per measure, in 4/4 time.
    From the Main Menu (JLCooper PPS-100), press any key to call up the SET CUE ? Menu.
    Answer YES, then press NO four times until START ? is displayed. (See Menu diagram in
    appendix) Answer YES.
    TIME 00:00:00:00 is displayed. Use the ENTER key to move the cursor to the right.
    When the cursor is under the minute digit, press “+” five times.
    TIME 00:05:00:00
    In a similar manner, move the cursor to the right and press “+” three times.
    TIME 00:05:30:00.
    If you make a mistake, remember that you can move the cursor back by pressing RUN. And
    you can decrement a number by pressing “-“. Repeat pressing ENTER until the cursor is all the
    way to the right, and then press one more time to go “page down”: TIME SIG 00/00. Use the
    “+”, “-“, and ENTER keys as before to enter
    TIME SIG 04/04. Press ENTER to go “page down” to
    TEMPO 0 BPM. Use the “+”, “-“, and ENTER keys as before,entering TEMPO��3 BPM. Note
    that to enter the number “7”, you could press “-“ three times instead of pressing “+” seven
    times. Press ENTER to go “page down” to
    STOP ?
    For this example we will not enter a stop time, because the sequencer will stop by itself at the
    end of the song. Press CLEAR to return to the top of the main menu. (If you are interested in
    trying out this example right now, be sure that you have a MIDI cable hooked up from the
    MIDI OUT of the PPS-100 to the MIDI IN of your sequencer, and that the sequencer is set to
    receive MIDI Clock.
    -Nate








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    Thanks Nate! Is (2) MTC the only info i need to worry about? Is that correct?

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    Yeah probably. I thought about cutting out the rest but figured I'd leave it. MTC is a safe bet.
    -Nate








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    I am having the same issue with the POS-100. nothing will sync to it. Not even my old drum machine. I have it set to send MTC but nothing will read it. It passes midi just fine from another device plugged into it.

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