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    For mastering ! Tascam,Fostex or Otari

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    Hi every body,

    Sorry in advance for my english,I am from Quebec.

    Ok,I will try to explain myself clearly.

    I have a little home studio with Nuendo 3,mics:Rode classic and AKG C414XLII,sound card RME Fireface 400,in hardware:Lexicon PCM 60,Presonus Eureka,Presonus ACP-22,DBX 166,and some Waves plug-ins.

    I am doing some ok quality trak and mix,but (like every body)I find it is sound kind of cold ....... I am 45 so .....

    One guy say to me : buy a old analog machine , transfer your digital mix on , and transfer it back to your computer and TA-DAM !!!! a great analog sound

    First Question : is it true ? If yes.is it so simple ?

    Second question : I have find some machine near by and I wont a expert opinion to know whitch one is the best and WHY

    The machine are : fostex A-2 , Tascam 22-2, Tascam 22-4, Otari 5050 BII

    Thanks

    Jean

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    Hi Jean,

    It might help some, to take the edge off some harsh frequencies, for instance, or introduce some nice analog effects, such as hiss, distortion or compression but, IMHO, your mix will end up sounding more like a digital recording transferred onto tape. I personally think that you would be better off tracking to analog in the first place. No, it's not as simple as your friend makes it out to be. Get a new friend.

    Now, if you still wish to experiment, there's nothing wrong with getting a tape deck for your mixes. The one thing to remember is to always buy locally where you avoid shipping and can actually check the machine is person. Look for excessive head ware.

    The 22-2, 5050 BII and A-2 are the so called 2 (half track) recorders and are great for mixing down. I would be looking at the 5050 and 22-2 first and only at the A-2 if the former are in much worse shape than the A-2. BUY THE ONE WHICH IS IN BETTER CONDITION. That should be your only criteria.

    If all of the machines were in the same good shape, here's my preference, from first to last: (1) 5050 BII, (2) 22-2 and (3) A-2.

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    Yes Jean, mixing to analog tape will have some benefits. It is not magic, but it can add a little character to the mix.

    It is difficult to say which machine is best because there are so many things to consider. The 22-4 is not really a mastering deck, so I would narrow your choice down to the A-2, 22-2 and MX5050.

    The short answer is to pick the machine that is in the best condition. Any of the above will do if functioning properly.

    If all the decks were new I would recommend the Otari MX5050. However, since we are dealing with used decks these days the Tascam 22-2 is going to be easiest and less costly to maintain. I have two of the 22-2 and I love them… very nice for a low-cost machine.

    Although the Otari MX5050 is probably the better of all the above machines they tend to have issues as they get older, such as relay problems that you will probably need to get fixed. It depends on the age of the machine and how well it was maintained.

    Again, the most important factor is the condition of the particular machines you are looking at.


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    Thanks for your answer

    But if I understand, the fact of transfering a final mix on tape will not BLOW ME AWAY.
    So, just for a little change it is not worth the pain.I can pass it througt a valve preamp, two time, and I will have a little bit of dirty sound ????!!???

    And honestly,I dont have enough experience for recording on tape,OUFFFFFFF


    It is easy on computer,you can always fixe your mistake ,but on tape,when it is print,you have to do another track......................

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    Quote Originally Posted by letjour View Post


    It is easy on computer,you can always fixe your mistake ,but on tape,when it is print,you have to do another track......................
    Right, but then again you become a better musician, no?

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    Quote Originally Posted by letjour View Post
    Thanks for your answer

    But if I understand, the fact of transfering a final mix on tape will not BLOW ME AWAY.
    So, just for a little change it is not worth the pain.I can pass it througt a valve preamp, two time, and I will have a little bit of dirty sound ????!!???

    And honestly,I dont have enough experience for recording on tape,OUFFFFFFF


    It is easy on computer,you can always fixe your mistake ,but on tape,when it is print,you have to do another track......................
    You can't get experience if you don't start somewhere.

    Many mastering engineers still master to half-track analog... its a secret weapon of sorts. I wouldn't say the results are subtle... you will just get different results if you track to analog in the first place.

    For example, I record most of the CDs that I buy to analog and then back to CD. It makes them less fatiguing to listen to… I prefer the sound to the original CD. So yes it makes a difference.

    A tube/valve device or tape simulator will not have the same character as tape. It’s not dirt you’re getting with tape… there is something we call “The analog smear” (a term coined by Tom Scholz of Boston) that makes the sound more pleasing to the ear… takes the edge off of it.

    Sure digital is convenient, but many of us put music quality first, no matter what we decide to use. Convenience is secondary.

    "... The two advantages of digital are that it’s cheap, and it gives you lots of features. As far as sound quality goes, digital is always worse."
    ~Tom Scholz, Guitar Player - May 2003

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    As others have said, all things equal, I would give the Otari a try. However, if you just want to warm up the sound and not track to tape in the first place, then why not try a tube preamp? Tubes can really add some nice warmth and would be much easier to use than tracking to digital then analog then digital again. Just a thought...

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    I recently went through what you are talking about. I bought a Tascam 22 to mix down to. I get some sonic benefit by going to and from tape, but nothing magical. By the way, I think the additional DA/AD conversions going to and from the digital setup probably hurts.

    Now when I listen to some recordings I tracked on a four-track cassette that were mixed to digital and other recordings I played on for other people that were tracked to 1" or 2" machines and mixed to digital - I hear what I am looking for.

    I've been meaning to run a test where I run individual tracks to and from the Tascam 22, then time-align them back up and mix them, comparing that to mixing digital and running the stereo mix to and from tape. I'm wondering if getting saturation on each track individually makes a much bigger impact. Makes sense in my mind, but it's hard to articulate. It would help me decide if I want to invest in a larger, multi-track machine.

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    One trick to try with the 22-2 or any half-track with two speeds is to mix at 7.5 ips. That's what I do with my commercial CDs. For someone who tracks all digital this will give a thicker, fuzzier sound, which may be what they're looking for.

    Open-reel tape at 15 ips or above is actually very clean. People who are only familiar with plugins and tape simulators are often surprised because these plugs and devices really produce a caricature of analog tape sound... a very limited effect.

    Other benefits of real tape that you can't get with a tape simulator or tube device are wider stereo image, more accurate instrument placement in the stereo panorama and greater depth. These things will jump out at you if you know what to listen for.

    It’s best to have the analog deck as the last thing in the chain before going to 16/44.1 for Red Book compatible CD. Further editing in the digital realm after that is not recommended, as it will negate much of the gains made by mastering to analog.


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    Yes, that has all certainly been my experience. I even find 7.5 IPS too clean on my Tascam usually. The guy who cleaned mine up and changed the belts was used to working on larger machines and thought the 22 was a consumer machine. He was very surprised when he listened to it.

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