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    Do Not Buy From Tapetape !

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    I'm sure most of you guys already know about this bastard but I'm just here to warn all the new guys like myself not to buy tape this unethical , spineless human being. Just to add to the already bountiful stories, i bought a used 3m 226 (i know many of you think I'm an idiot for buying used tape as it is but people who are so broke they cant even buy time need to buy the used stuff) that was extremely sticky, shedding all kinds of shit onto my machine. I've already bought two GREAT tapes from this guy, one of them being the SAME exact model(3m 226) so i was confident this tape was going to be equally great. After that problem i called him and told him the situation and he kindly apologized and said he would send me a BRAND NEW, UNUSED 3m 226. After waiting almost a week, and calling him to remind him to ship it twice it finally arrived this evening. Excited as can be, i spooled the time and guess what? The same exact fucking thing. The thing won't even fast forward without me pushing it that direction and more sticky hell. It clearly is NOT brand new.

    To conclude this, he is a liar and a con-man. Don't buy from this guy.






    That said, can anybody direct me to where i can find some FUNCTIONAL, 1/2 inch, affordable mastering tape?

    -John

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    Thanks for sharing your experience and you're certainly not alone. Check out this thread:
    https://homerecording.com/bbs/showthread.php?t=230731

    As far as good, affordable tape ... look for new old stock Quantegy or Ampex but make sure, in the latter case, that you get the date code. Just to be safe, anything above 1995 is fine and will be made of the new stable, non shedding, binder. If it's Quantegy branded then you know for sure but if it's Ampex branded, look for a date code.

    If you wanna make it truly affordable, buy pancakes and mount 'em on your empty reels. I'm not sure if your 226 reels have the typical screws, that you can remove or the other kind, the 'stamped' in ones....

    There's also RMGI SM911, currently made and sometimes new old stock Basf / Emtec appear on eBay.

    So your sources for tape are eBay, for new old stock and new at
    http://www.splicit.com/recording_tape.html
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    http://usrecordingmedia-store.stores...1oprereta.html

    Quantegy is supposed to start making tape again but no word whether or not they'll resurrect 456.

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    Arrow Snackmaster

    Go to Walmart and buy the Snackmaster Food Dehydrator and "bake" the tape. I've read that baking a sticky tape isn't a permanent solution, but it might be a satisfactory solution, and baking can be repeated as many times as necessary,... if needed.

    Of course, I've not done it yet, but that's what I've heard. I'll be baking many of my tapes in my own Snackmaster at some future time, TBD.
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    ... subtleties of sound make a difference to those who really listen.

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    IMHO, 226 was one of the worst tape formulations ever produced. Awful sounding stuff when compared to Ampex 406, 456, and their own 250. Regardless, even unopen boxes are going to be between 10-29 years old and not smart buys.

    Buying used Ampex/Quantegy stuff isn't such a good idea either. It will either suffer from sticky-shed or be subject to the abysmal QC that Quantegy practiced during their last throws. I was returning 50% of all Quantegy items I bought when production was still in full swing! The slitting, especially on 1/2" was awful.

    Baking tapes that you want to record on is not a good idea. Save that process for restoring recordings to playability for transfer to another medium.

    In short - buy new tape.
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    Arrow ...

    I've used a small amount of 3M 226 tape, & thus far haven't had any problems with it. I had a "test" (scratch) reel sitting on my 388 for well over a year, where upon starting it up again I got a minimal amount of stick and shed, but several FF/RW cycles of the reel cleaned it up pretty well. Thought for a minute I'd have to Snackmaster that reel right off the bat, but no.

    I have ample stocks of new 226 in storage and a Snackmaster on hand for when that time finally arrives. That says nothing of my 1983 Ampex 456 which is a sticky shed monster,... handful of "vintage" reels containing my "legacy". (Heh, heh). Sad but true.

    Snack, snack, Snackmaster away, is what I say!

    From what I've read online, baking each new reel of tape, regardless of mfgr and date, would be a prudent step for successful reeling right out of the box. After all, you don't know it's "shed" until it's all over your transport. The last article I read seemed to state that to bake each reel right out of the box before use is a small measure of insurance.

    Etc., I live in the high desert, where environmental humidity is at a minimum year long.
    Quote Originally Posted by Lt. Bob
    ... subtleties of sound make a difference to those who really listen.

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    what i dont understand is that i bought and AGFA tape from this guy and it was a wonderful tape. still my favorite tape. sounds great works great.

    anyway, where can i get BRAND NEW tape?

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    Quote Originally Posted by johnbilben View Post

    where can i get BRAND NEW tape?
    Didn't you read my previous post? It's all in there..

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    Quote Originally Posted by johnbilben View Post
    what i dont understand is that i bought and AGFA tape from this guy and it was a wonderful tape. still my favorite tape. sounds great works great.

    anyway, where can i get BRAND NEW tape?
    Lots of vendors for RMGI tape. Look them up on Google and place an order.
    Rick Ruskin
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    i did read your post cjacek i realized you had answered my question right after i posted that. what is a pancake? im a little confused

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    Quote Originally Posted by johnbilben View Post
    i did read your post cjacek i realized you had answered my question right after i posted that. what is a pancake? im a little confused
    Usually, when you buy 10.5" tape it comes on a metal or plastic reel. You can also buy it in 'hub' or 'pancake' configuration, which doesn't have the reel, just the plastic core. This is cheaper as you're only paying for the tape itself.

    The snag is, most modern machines aren't intended to work with pancakes directly. You have two ways to make them usable:

    1. Take an old metal spool, and remove one flange. With the machine flat on its back, lay the pancake on the flange, and mount it on the machine. Then you can fast-wind it onto another spool. If you're buying pancake tapes cheap and intending to use them on 7" reels, that's the only way you can do it.

    2. Take a new empty metal spool, and dismantle it. Screw the two flanges onto the central core. This is the way I use Zonal tape, as it's only available as a pancake.

    There's a picture of some tape as a pancake here, if it helps explain things.
    http://www.randallareed.com/Reel_to_Reel_Tape.htm

    ...I may also make a video of myself fitting flanges on a pancake as my "How tape stuff is done" series seems to be quite useful.

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