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    buying lp's and cassettes - true analog listening ?

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    hi you guys
    this question came up in my mind while shopping for cassettes and lp's on Ebay.
    So,some labels reissuing cassettes, lp's are reissued like crazy, and a lot of "new" music coming out on lp's too.
    But, if we put aside the fun of just playing cassettes and lp's, if it has been produced from digital recordings or digital copies back in the studio, that wouldn't be considered true analog isn't it? i mean, it has already been digitized to "10111001", putting it back to analog formats won't bring the lost sound from the deads isn't it?

    let's take for example rhcp's BSSM album.
    I guess it was recorded on a STUDER reel to reel of some sort (or did the digital equipment already took over the studios in 91'?) ?
    so buying an original cassette from back then, that would be a true analog experience..but what about a 2016 reissue of a cassette or lp that they might have used their digital copies to reproduce?or "worse" 2010's music that was definItley recorded digitally and then they issued it on lp's.

    i can just copy FLAC version of the album from my PC to a cassete using a cassete deck, and that would be pretty much the same.. digital info on an analog format.

    or isn't it?

    YES i am confused as hell and i might confused you too

    thanks !

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    Hey,
    I don't know for certain but I saw an interview where Brendan O'Brien said
    "We were working with tape back then so you fixed by editing and did pieces. Some songs we did all the way through, some we did pieces, so we edited later to make the song sound better."

    If you're talking about 'lost sound', it depends where/why it was lost.
    Wether something was recorded to protools or tape doesn't really matter if compromises, mistakes, or bad decisions were made in the mix down or mastering process.

    On the other hand I'd bet there are plenty of albums which were recorded on early digital systems and released on cassette and/or LP, but could benefit massively from being revisited with modern technology.
    The problem with that is a lot of original sessions (tied to outdated versions of software) just won't exist now.

    Quote Originally Posted by IronWine View Post
    i can just copy FLAC version of the album from my PC to a cassete using a cassete deck, and that would be pretty much the same.. digital info on an analog format.
    That be the same if that's what the people releasing are doing.
    Chances are they're doing more than that.
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    I read a while back, on some post here, in an article that mentioned something about the fact that they've been using some type of digital delay since the early 80s (maybe even the late 70s?) during the mastering process to correct some .... something to do with pressing vinyl. I can't remember the particulars.

    But I remember a digital proponent saying something to the effect of "See! All you analog nuts claiming about the superior sound of 80s albums have been listening to digital all along and you didn't even know it!"

    I wish I could provide more info, but I can't remember the particulars. Maybe someone else does?
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    Whatever is happening before it gets to vinyl is whatever it is and may or may not contribute to the sound of vinyl.
    But the record itself has it's own sound that many find pleasing. I know I do.

    I saw an interview with Eddie Kramer, anf he pointed out that listening to records gets you away from the mp3/earbud disease.

    Think about it. Most people listening to records have good stereo systems by today's standards. Some have excellent stereo systems by any standards.

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    Yeah I don't really care too much about it. I like listening to vinyl because it's a different mindset. It's not this one-song-short-attention-span mentality that so many young people have today. When you put on an album (at least when I do), I listen to the whole thing, and it's just a pleasant experience all the way around.
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    Quote Originally Posted by famous beagle View Post
    I read a while back, on some post here, in an article that mentioned something about the fact that they've been using some type of digital delay since the early 80s (maybe even the late 70s?) during the mastering process to correct some .... something to do with pressing vinyl. I can't remember the particulars.
    AFAIK it's to do with the cutting, specifically the groove spacing. The simplest way is to have the cutting head move in towards the centre at a constant rate. However, you can get more time on the record by dynamically varying the speed at which the cutting head moves inwards, allowing you to pack more grooves together if there's not much bass or that part of the song is quiet or something.
    The problem is you need to be able to see what the song is about to do one revolution in advance. Originally this was done by adding an extra head on the playback deck so that it's delayed. That means the control system can listen to the main playback head and the record itself is cut from the delayed head.
    Once digital delays started to come along, they used those instead. But of course, that means that the signal being cut onto lacquer is the one from the digital delay. IIRC Slugbug's 'Truck Month' was cut by bypassing the delay and just using the constant-rate method so it would be all-analogue.

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    Quote Originally Posted by famous beagle View Post
    Yeah I don't really care too much about it. I like listening to vinyl because it's a different mindset. It's not this one-song-short-attention-span mentality that so many young people have today. When you put on an album (at least when I do), I listen to the whole thing, and it's just a pleasant experience all the way around.
    It's the same experience with a CD if you listen to it in its entirety.

    What ruined that type of listening experience is the single song downloads and the whole playlist mentality.
    Granted, playlist may provide the same type of listening experience, allowing you to tailor a hour or two or three of continuous music in some order that appeals to you.
    I think you only miss out on the "whole album" experience where artists recorded the albums with some sort global theme from start to finish, but how many were really done that way?
    I think most were just a bunch of song that got placed in some order during mastering, and it is we, the listeners who imagined a more global album theme because back in the day, when you played an album, you usually sat down and played the whole thing front to back....and that's what was burned in your memory...that "magic" from the specific order of the songs. However, you often hear/read about the recording process of many classic albums, and you find out that songs were sometimes thrown together to form the album, and not so much a focused per-production plan.
    That said...all the vinyl and CD albums that I know well, I would find it odd if the order of the songs was changed around.

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    Quote Originally Posted by miroslav View Post
    It's the same experience with a CD if you listen to it in its entirety.

    What ruined that type of listening experience is the single song downloads and the whole playlist mentality.
    Granted, playlist may provide the same type of listening experience, allowing you to tailor a hour or two or three of continuous music in some order that appeals to you.
    I think you only miss out on the "whole album" experience where artists recorded the albums with some sort global theme from start to finish, but how many were really done that way?
    I think most were just a bunch of song that got placed in some order during mastering, and it is we, the listeners who imagined a more global album theme because back in the day, when you played an album, you usually sat down and played the whole thing front to back....and that's what was burned in your memory...that "magic" from the specific order of the songs. However, you often hear/read about the recording process of many classic albums, and you find out that songs were sometimes thrown together to form the album, and not so much a focused per-production plan.
    That said...all the vinyl and CD albums that I know well, I would find it odd if the order of the songs was changed around.
    You're right that you can have that same experience with a CD, but I specifically remember that "one-song" phenomenon starting with CDs. I remember people saying "play track 8!" and not even knowing what the song was called. I think this was because it became so easy to instantly pull up any track (especially if your home CD player had a remote). In a car, everyone would do that: Insert the CD ... then skip, skip, skip, jam.
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    Yep. the time of a side of an Lp is just about right for an adult beverage...
    Why would you record music on a device designed to do word processing?

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    I have a lot of albums, but my favorite medium is the CD. Man, albums were a pain, pops and clicks, using a cleaner to reduce it, having to handle them on the sides to keep fingerprints of of them, using and anti-static gun. I still throw one on every now and again, but I think the CD is still the best.

    Now for sound, I thought the CD sounded better as well, I now try to listen to my music in a wave file. The car stereo I purchased supports the 16/44 waves. Just seems like it has the best of all worlds.
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