Page 1 of 3 1 2 3 LastLast
Results 1 to 10 of 21

Thread: Ampex AG-440 Differences

  1. #1
    Join Date
    Apr 2008
    Location
    Pacific Northwest, USA
    Posts
    8,546
    Thanks
    222
    Thanked 218 Times in 198 Posts
    Rep Power
    3753124

    Question Ampex AG-440 Differences

    Sign in to disable this ad
    What are the main differences between the 440A and 440B/C Ampex decks?

    Ive got the manual set for the B/C versions but not the A.

    There is a 1" 8-track AG-440A for sale relatively local to me.

  2. #2
    Join Date
    Nov 2004
    Location
    Wales
    Age
    42
    Posts
    3,379
    Thanks
    10
    Thanked 105 Times in 96 Posts
    Rep Power
    2215120

  3. #3
    Join Date
    Jun 2004
    Location
    Texas
    Posts
    478
    Thanks
    0
    Thanked 1 Time in 1 Post
    Rep Power
    193184
    I have a pair of 440C machines, and I know they are quite different functionally than the 440A/B machines I have used in past times.

    The main gripe with the A version was the lack of finesse on the transport..It did not have the logic built in like the C rev, so it was posible to make a complete mess of the tape when switching transport modes. It also lacked the tape motion sensing and tape lifter delay the later version has.
    The electronice on the C version are superior, but will not back fit to the A version.

    Upside is the thing is built like a tank, and quite simple to work on, and they look dead cool. If the price is right, you can sell the modules and transport separately and make a tidy profit to help pay for your other orphans.

    >>>Are you sure you want to mess with 1" tape???

    IMO the 440 C is the one to have. Look for one with the servo motor option.

  4. #4
    Join Date
    Apr 2008
    Location
    Pacific Northwest, USA
    Posts
    8,546
    Thanks
    222
    Thanked 218 Times in 198 Posts
    Rep Power
    3753124
    >>>Are you sure you want to mess with 1" tape???
    heheheheh...uh...no. But 1" 8-track has a certain allure...

    Is this any help?
    Yes, definitely. Thanks. Too bad the link to the Ampex Data Systems online manuals isn't working. The Seller says he has the B/C manual with it, and he's been using that to maintain his other 440 1" 8-track and it works fine, so...

    *sigh*

    Pipe-dreamin' with absolutely no logic or sense about me...

  5. #5
    Join Date
    Jun 2004
    Location
    Texas
    Posts
    478
    Thanks
    0
    Thanked 1 Time in 1 Post
    Rep Power
    193184

  6. #6
    Join Date
    Apr 2008
    Location
    Pacific Northwest, USA
    Posts
    8,546
    Thanks
    222
    Thanked 218 Times in 198 Posts
    Rep Power
    3753124
    AG440 Manuals!!!
    Among other things...Cool! Thanks, Techno!

    As far as the 440 stuff most of it is what is available on AnalogRules.com, but there is some additional stuff here including the 440-8 R-P schematic.

    • Its interesting... there is almost nothing in all this 440A/B/C stuff pertaining directly to the 1" 8-track format...so was that just super rare or something?


    And here's a couple thoughts ripe for all kinds of subjective responses:

    • The 440 platform now dates back some 40 years... Enthusiasts generally seem to tout that more tape real-estate is gonna be better, but is a 1/2" 8-track such as a Tascam 48 or 58 going to perform better than a 40-year-old 1" 8-track due to advances in head design, electronics componentry, transport design and electronics?
    • I see Daptone using (what I think) is an AG-440C-8...does it hold its own performance-wise against the more contemporary 1/2" decks or is there a draw to a particular vintage sound of the AG-440?

  7. #7
    Join Date
    Nov 2004
    Location
    Wales
    Age
    42
    Posts
    3,379
    Thanks
    10
    Thanked 105 Times in 96 Posts
    Rep Power
    2215120
    I don't think the 440-8 was super-rare, but it would have been phenomenally expensive and the 2-track version would naturally have been more common, IMHO.
    I think Wendy Carlos had one, and King Crimson's first album was tracked to one as well - at least 'In the Court of the Crimson King' was, and given how much texture that song has, it probably wouldn't have been technically feasible on a 4-track.

  8. #8
    Join Date
    Jun 2004
    Location
    Texas
    Posts
    478
    Thanks
    0
    Thanked 1 Time in 1 Post
    Rep Power
    193184
    Wasn't the 1" 8 track Ampex more commonly known as the MM1000??
    I know the 8 track transport was different than the two track one, even thought the channel electronics were the same.
    I recall that the 8 track was about $10K in the day.

    The mono machines and two tracks were a staple of radio stations and performing arts centers, and a lot more common obviously. Still, a 440C two track in a cart was 4 grand new, equal to a nice new car.

    Quality: I cant speak to audio specs, but the build quality and mechanicals were A-1. No corners cut, no cheapie plastic parts, undersized components, etc.
    Everything is servicable, accessable, well laid out. Did I say I liked these machines??

  9. #9
    Join Date
    Nov 2004
    Location
    Wales
    Age
    42
    Posts
    3,379
    Thanks
    10
    Thanked 105 Times in 96 Posts
    Rep Power
    2215120
    Quote Originally Posted by technoplayer View Post
    Wasn't the 1" 8 track Ampex more commonly known as the MM1000??
    If you google for images, the MM1000 is twice as wide as the 440-8. Looks like a different design to me...

  10. #10
    Join Date
    Jun 2004
    Location
    Texas
    Posts
    478
    Thanks
    0
    Thanked 1 Time in 1 Post
    Rep Power
    193184
    right u are!!!

Thread Information

Users Browsing this Thread

There are currently 1 users browsing this thread. (0 members and 1 guests)

Similar Threads

  1. Ampex 704
    By sweetbeats in forum Analog Recording & Mixing - Tape & Gear
    Replies: 2
    Last Post: 04-25-2008, 16:37
  2. Ampex
    By antispatula in forum Analog Recording & Mixing - Tape & Gear
    Replies: 1
    Last Post: 04-01-2006, 13:04
  3. Ampex 20:20+ ??????
    By cjacek in forum Analog Recording & Mixing - Tape & Gear
    Replies: 3
    Last Post: 05-30-2005, 17:11
  4. Ampex 456 or 499 which is best?
    By marksmith in forum Analog Recording & Mixing - Tape & Gear
    Replies: 0
    Last Post: 06-08-2002, 06:47
  5. Ampex ATR 700?
    By twonky in forum Analog Recording & Mixing - Tape & Gear
    Replies: 0
    Last Post: 10-22-2001, 07:30

Posting Permissions

  • You may not post new threads
  • You may not post replies
  • You may not post attachments
  • You may not edit your posts
  •