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    Exclamation Playing live with rack/MIDI presets

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    OK- the old man is reawakening...slowly.

    Looks like I'll be playing out live again. Back in the day, it was basically heavy/clean, chorus on most of the time.

    Now I will be playing more diverse covers. I haven't used foot pedals (except for an orginal Mu-Tron III) in about, oh 25 years. When I used to use rack gear, I never got into the ADA preamp mode- always used tube heads and pretty much had 1-3 sounds witht the rack sounds on- or one piece that I cahnged pre-sets from.

    I had a friend who used to program his entire set lists in order so he would just keep going up every time he needed to change sounds, but I never quite knew how he got everything to change.

    SOOO here I am looking at about 6-7 pieces of rack gear that I've accumulated over the years. Now that I've gone digital, I use plug ins, so I have even more rack gear.

    Bottom line-I went and purchased a Beheringer 1010. I was looking at a Ground Control, but thought I ought to figure it out on the cheap stuff first. I want to be able to change multiple effects at once, along with the presets from my Line 6 DuoVerb (Let's stay on track here Example- Boogie setting uses reverb from one rack piece and chorus from another. Vox setting uses chorus from one and compressor from another

    How the hell do I get started? lol The manual is not really helping- someone throw me a lifeline please...

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    Cool

    Whatsamatta? Do I stink or somethin'?

    Somebody help before the weekend is up and I'm back to work LOL

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    Could you better explain all the gear that you have and plan to use?
    Recording Setup:
    Power Mac G4 / M-Audio Delta 1010LT
    1Ghz | 768MB RAM | Mac OS 10.4.5
    160 GB Internal | 250 GB Ext. USB 2
    Yamaha MG10/2 Mixing Console
    Logic Express 7, Cubase SX & Deck 3

    Keyboard Rig:
    Kurzweil SP88 / Kurzweil PC2R w/O / Yamaha TX7

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    Quote Originally Posted by TheRockDoc
    OK-

    How the hell do I get started? lol The manual is not really helping- someone throw me a lifeline please...
    You will need to check the manuals of the rack gear, they will tell you how each piece utilises MIDI. Look under program change info.

    Usually, the unit lets you take program change info from the controller and map it to a preset. So say you make program 1 on your footboard the Boogie setting. On your reverb box, say the reverb you want is preset 63. The reverb unit will ask you which preset you want it to go to when it receives "change to program 1" info from the controller. You tell it to go to preset 63.

    Program info used to be pretty much "up" or "down" in the (not-so-old) days. This led to things like your friend did, with mapped-out sets, or set lists with program numbers by them, and people scrolling up and down like mad between songs to get to the right sounds. "Hold, it guys, I need to get to program 1, and I'm on 24. Tell a joke or something."

    Also, more than one program on your footboard can lead to the same rack preset. So if you wanted the same reverb on your Vox as your Boogie setting for example, you can make the same reverb setting on your rack piece come up when you select either Vox or Boogie.

    Some units need to be set to receive program change info certain ways. I have a Lexicon MPX 500, for instance. It's effects are in banks, grouped by type, eight or ten in each bank. The way the MPX 500 comes from the factory, the controller needs to tell the MPX 500 which bank to go to first, then which of the programs in the bank to choose from. This can be changed so the MPX 500 does not need bank info, and any program can be selected with just program change info.

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    ps- You may need to check the controller manual for program info as well. Some controllers use banks as well, even if they don't send bank info. I had a controller that had ten banks of four, so on the display instead of being 1-40 they were
    01
    02
    03
    04
    11
    12
    13
    14
    21
    22
    23
    24
    etc.


    And the program change info wasn't the same as the controller display. So when my controller said it was on program 11, the unit was transmitting "Program change 5" info. Took me awhile to figure that one out.

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    Yeah, it would really help if we knew what gear you are using and what you want to do with it in more detail.

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    Gear:
    Behringer 1010
    Line 6 DuoVerb
    Yamaha Rev 7
    Roland SRV2000
    MidiVerb 4
    DigiTech DSP 256
    PV Autograph
    PV Ultraverb
    non-MIDI:
    Aphex Type C
    DBX 1066
    Hush IIc

    Although I don't plan to use all the gear all the time, some of these oldies but goodies have one or two things that I like- and more importantly I already on them, collected over years. My thought initially is simple is best, and 80% I'll probably use chorus and rvb from the Rev7 and Alesis, but want to have options as the set list expands...

    Thanks, I was really gonna check for body odor - or maybe that was the PV that smelled...

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    You got it figured out man?
    i feel your pain that 1010 manual was translated poorly
    Here are some of my song's i've recordedwww.myspace.com/ryanprice

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    It's goona have to wait to the weekend...and that manual is tough...like a German Godzilla movie

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