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    Quote Originally Posted by RFR View Post
    It's all good.
    In the end music is not about the technical specs.......that's for engineers.
    Its all about the sounds. A piece of gear that an electronic wizbang might scoff at, might just be the perfect tool for the job......make the music you want to hear.
    You take a look at some of these street drummers, they're banging on plastic buckets, metal garbage cans, ect. Hardly a properly designed drum kit. But, boy oh boy, can some of them make some music.

    So we'll leave the specs to the engineers. In the context of the music, if it sounds good, it is good.
    That might be true in the esoteric "stooodio" world but this is HR and peeps are asking questions. If a noob goes down the route of hardware and buys a cheap compressor he is likely going to be very pissed off with the performance EXCEPT perhaps for a rare "special effect".

    Most of the FX racks I see in articles about top studios contain gear that costs a shit load of money. Some of it so rare and venerated it is almost beyond bucks!

    We are surely here to give general advice that is useful to everyone in most circumstances?

    Dave.

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    Quote Originally Posted by ecc83 View Post
    That might be true in the esoteric "stooodio" world but this is HR and peeps are asking questions. If a noob goes down the route of hardware and buys a cheap compressor he is likely going to be very pissed off with the performance EXCEPT perhaps for a rare "special effect".

    Most of the FX racks I see in articles about top studios contain gear that costs a shit load of money. Some of it so rare and venerated it is almost beyond bucks!

    We are surely here to give general advice that is useful to everyone in most circumstances?

    Dave.
    Hey! You actually properly used the quote function. Yay!

    Maybe we are here to give general advice.

    And I am. (From my own real world experience)
    All of us have different experiences and perspectives that aren't necessarily wrong or right. All over the internet people are just stating their own perspective.
    As always, it is up to the reader, the seeker of answers, to sift through and come to their own conclusions.
    I wish there was a magical forum that had all the 'correct' answers, but sadly that and unicorns don't exist.


    Oh, PS, There's all kind of cheap. (Under 1,000 dollars) compressors. And the ART VLA is one of them. There are also tons of favorable reveiws on some of these cheap compressors. So, with a bit of reasearch the reader (buyer) can come to a conclusion and avoid a piece of junk.

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    Quote Originally Posted by RFR View Post
    Hey! You actually properly used the quote function. Yay!

    Maybe we are here to give general advice.

    And I am. (From my own real world experience)
    All of us have different experiences and perspectives that aren't necessarily wrong or right. All over the internet people are just stating their own perspective.
    As always, it is up to the reader, the seeker of answers, to sift through and come to their own conclusions.
    I wish there was a magical forum that had all the 'correct' answers, but sadly that and unicorns don't exist.


    Oh, PS, There's all kind of cheap. (Under 1,000 dollars) compressors. And the ART VLA is one of them. There are also tons of favorable reveiws on some of these cheap compressors. So, with a bit of reasearch the reader (buyer) can come to a conclusion and avoid a piece of junk.
    Indeed, I qoute JUST as the guts guide me.

    Dave.

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    Quote Originally Posted by alterman View Post
    For my part of reaction Ponder5.
    Hmmm... can't tell if you have a complaint and are itching for a fight, or just don't read well.

    In that I can't clearly and specifically understand your position or difference, I'll tend to the latter over the former. I'll just say it's all good.

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    Two thoughts, I won't argue what is best, because I really don't know. But I will say this, the journey is very important. I like the convenience of not having to plug in stuff, mess with miles of cables, but focus on what I am doing and using the same track and throwing crap on there, turning the controllers and hearing what I have.

    That is not to say, what I don't like, someone else loves. Lights flickering, needles bouncing, the smell of electronics in the room. All kinds of stuff happening. I can see the thrill of that as well.

    The journey is very important.
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    Quote Originally Posted by rob aylestone View Post
    I'm quicker, and more able to do what I want totally inside the computer. I still have the old external mixer, rack full of gizmos, sound modules and keyboards, but by and large, the mixer does nothing apart from feed left and right into my monitors and act as a volume control. I don't record it's output, and rarely have to use any external equipment and feed that back in. Quality wise, I feel today's system sounds better. I suspect my music is no better but it sounds cleaner, less noisy and to my ears nicer. Two keyboards are now plugins in the computer and sound the same to my ears. I don't need the clutter in my studio for work, but I keep it because it looks good. That's a terrible reason to have gear!
    that's funny, not really a bad reason to have it.

    a lot of my likes of hardware is embarrassing due to I like the mic plugs in the front! that seems supremely lazy.

    then the hardware, in addition to front side XLR/TRS jacks, is I can go in direct to DAW with some type of "color", instead of my clean-interface preamps with realtime-plugin preamp/comp etc...( basically laziness in not having to click a mouse a few times?


    the hardware does offer some vibe of not using plug-ins.....but of course the second you go into play back mode the plugins are slapped on in quantity for various reason.


    cost wise, theres no competing with plugins, especially if a person has the UA Apollo stuff whatever they call it...the interface with realtime plugs you can track live with.

    Sometimes I think about selling it all and just buying a new UA USB with the stock UA plugs, get a mic or two and call it a day.

    if it's not happening in the room, it ain't gonna happen on tape.-H.Gerst

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    Quote Originally Posted by DM60 View Post
    Two thoughts, I won't argue what is best, because I really don't know. But I will say this, the journey is very important. I like the convenience of not having to plug in stuff, mess with miles of cables, but focus on what I am doing and using the same track and throwing crap on there, turning the controllers and hearing what I have.

    That is not to say, what I don't like, someone else loves. Lights flickering, needles bouncing, the smell of electronics in the room. All kinds of stuff happening. I can see the thrill of that as well.

    The journey is very important.
    I agree. maybe why a person can feel bipolar going back and forth, depending on the mood of that year or month...

    I always think of some old Beck article where his engineer/cowriter was talking about all this garage sale gear and massive piles of cheap pedals and expensive stuff and it was like a cluttered room and they were recording in bathtubs and showers and I thought, the opposite to that could be a extreme organized studio too.... which has its own appeal.

    if it's not happening in the room, it ain't gonna happen on tape.-H.Gerst

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    Quote Originally Posted by CoolCat View Post
    Sometimes I think about selling it all and just buying a new UA USB with the stock UA plugs, get a mic or two and call it a day.
    LOL!
    Been there many times.

    Then I think about the $4,500 I paid for a module that today would get, maybe $200 and figure I'll strip it for parts and projects first.
    Or a $2,000 module. Or $1,100 module. With similar outcomes. Or even one I bought used for $200 but would still never clear the cost of shipping on ebay and gets ignored on Craigslist.

    Maybe that's what i get for waiting so long.

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    I'm definitely with you on this, Ponder. I grew up dreaming of being surrounded by racks of gear, with my hands busy trying to hit the fader at the right moment, while tweeking the effects return to catch a phrase on a delay line (for example). I'm a musician too, but my first love was sound and recording. I'll use a computer if necessary, but I like knobs and buttons.

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    I still use external:
    - compressors
    - mic preamps
    - EQ
    - BOSS - SE70 effects unit (rarely)
    - I also still using a mixing 16 channel board, primarily so I can keep all my instruments permanently patched into my AI (digital piano, Synth, 8 mics, DI guitars/bass, Roland drums, etc.)

    I typically only use this stuff on the way in to my DAW while tracking

    Other than that, the rest of my rack gear sits in the racks collecting dust along with my ADATs, dual cassette deck, 5 disc CD changer, etc !!

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