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    Quote Originally Posted by CatMalone View Post
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    I precisely checked all the details on the box and from all prospects it's seems original BUT (a big but) they doesn't sound like SM57 & SM58, I myself had a doubt when I first recorded the audio and then an old and reliable user ( @Steenamaroo ) of this forum also confirmed on his own that they don't sound like original and may be counterfeit.
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    I don't want to contradict @Steenamaroo , but I have no idea how I'd know from the recordings you posted whether they sounded like an SM58 or SM57 or not. I mean, do you have recordings of your actual voice in the same space with known SM58s and SM57s? For me, that would be the only way to compare. What are you comparing to?
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    Quote Originally Posted by keith.rogers View Post
    I don't want to contradict @Steenamaroo, but I have no idea how I'd know from the recordings you posted whether they sounded like an SM58 or SM57 or not.
    It was more that they didn't sound like each other.
    With all else equal they should sound really similar.
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    I fixed the video I put up last night - youtube didn't like it.

    It does strike me that unless you have two mics supposedly the same model, you really cannot be certain.

    I was playing at a festival last year and the PA company had bought a batch of dodgy 58s, and only when we plugged in our own, did they notice the difference. They'd got maybe 12, and of course they all sounded exactly the same.
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    Quote Originally Posted by rob aylestone View Post
    Shure have deviated from those nominal weights many times over the years. The experience I have had with counterfeits is that the 57 and 58 feel heavy in the hand and counterfeits are lighter. There used to be all sorts of clues, colours of cables, embossing on the XLR inserts etc, but the reality is much simpler. The Shure capsule is mounted in a soft resilient moulding and rubbing your thumb and fingers produces hardly any mechanical noise. ALL the counterfeits and this includes Sennheiser too, react pretty badly to handling noise. In one of the recent topics we had some examples of your 57 and 58 mics. If you speak through them then the lips on the grill sound is warm and pleasant, but the bass gently drops as you move them to around a couple of inches. Counterfeits are never as warm and smooth and go boomy and blast easily close in. From the samples you posted nothing suggests they are counterfeits because they sound exactly like we expected.

    The paint finish can also be a giveaway and they both look 'right'. The killer question is did you buy them from an approved Shure dealer? Shure never sell genuine mics on Ebay, but they do supply the popular on-line retailers. If you purchased from a genuine dealer it's fine. Practically all new Ebay Shure mics are dodgy, and a trick is to say they're nearly new, just one recording, that kind of thing. Last point - the cases. The counterfeit Shure cases are poor quality, not tough and thick with decent zips, but plasticy and thin. Your voice is quiet and gentle - but nothing screams counterfeit to me.
    Sorry for the delay in replying but I'm going to address each of your comment one by one (as I believe I must do that because I'm grateful to those who taken time to read my thread and reply it, above all tried to help me, so nice of you and other members )


    >The killer question is did you buy them from an approved Shure dealer?
    Shure has authorized only one distributor / Importer in my country and both boxes have stickers of that importer as well. Shure sent to Importer and The retailer bought from Importer and sell it to end users like me. I bought each of them from 2 different retailers and both boxes have same Shure authorized Importer sticker.

    I precisely checked all the details on the box and from all prospects it's seems original BUT (a big but) they doesn't sound like SM57 & SM58 they way youtube video demonstrated: SM58 was bassy and SM57 sound better.

    >The counterfeit Shure cases are poor quality, not tough and thick with decent zips, but plasticy and thin.
    Yes I checked the case came with is tough, thick and have decent zip.

    BTW I ended thinking about which caused me to start this thread but I wanna share it with you:
    1. The reason I started this thread not because of I invested more than $99 in each of that mic because I have to pay import duty + shipping charges (US to my country), importer adds all that cost in the cost (which is huge) of mic so it costs a lot more than $99 nut also from my prospective it was a good idea, to investigate to make sure it's genuine and also ask for help in the forum which is considered Prevention is better than cure, (and if it was proven then at least I could raise a complaint with retailer).

    2. Secondly, as far as youtube is concerned where I watched many videos before buying the mics (BTW I used my due diligence to watch only which looks legitimate) and one which I considered seriously was this:



    As you said in other post YT videos are eq etc... this video was created by Bruno and he's Sound Engineer and used raw sound of SM57 and SM58 in the video and EQ was flat so I was trying to compare my mics sound with this video and it doesn't match lol

    I'm sure you must believe that no matter from where we buy Shure SM57 or SM58 in the world (as far as Shure supplies to that country), the same mic(s) are shipped all over the world, if that is so then they must sound same, isn't?

    But again I'd say I ended thinking about which caused me to start this thread so I'm happy with what I got


    BTW I'm grateful that you listened to the sample recordings and gave your feedback.
    Again Thank you so much

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    Quote Originally Posted by CatMalone View Post
    then they must sound same, isn't?
    Yes and no.

    They would sound the same if you recorded the same sound in the same environment with the same settings then played it back with the same equipment and settings in the same environment.

    Different voices recorded in different places and played back on different systems will result in different sounds

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    The only way to know that you don't have counterfeits is to buy from reputable sellers / stores. Check this video out

    Alan.

    Check this video out

    http://Check this video out<a href="...w">YouTube</a>

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    You don't have a remotely similar voice to these people in the clips, me included, so you cannot possibly judge what you are getting. The variables are always microphone AND voice. You may just have what is a lightweight voice? This is evident in the Shure and Mxl clips we've heard. It's just your very softly spoken voice. If you are really worried, I will send you one of my SM57s in the post. Well that set your mind at rest? I'm happy to do this because you're clearly worried.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Steenamaroo View Post
    I agree. Any fakes I've seen have used a very cheap lightweight plastic diaphragm instead of the rather heavy solid metal unit used by sure.
    With a fake like that I'd expect to see a pretty obvious weight difference.

    The thing that struck me was that your 57 sounded much less bassy than the 58 which shouldn't really be the case,
    but it's possible you were just slightly farther from the mic I suppose. A little as an inch or two could make that kind of difference.
    Thanks for all the help and sharing insights and I'm really grateful to you

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    Quote Originally Posted by rob aylestone View Post
    Cat - as we cannot see how you recorded the clips, the tonal differences could be placement but the sound of counterfeits is nothing like your clips - nothing at all. They are either bright and very thin. for a bit mellow. If you are really worried I'm sure I can dig up a dodgy SM57 and do you a quick recording between the real one and the counterfeit.

    I tried to find the list I produced of the weights of all mine, but the alloy they use and the transformer mean that from year to year the weight changes. Counterfeits I have had have ALWAYS been lighter, some substantially so.

    If you want me to record a bit with the two for comparison, let me know and I'll do it for you. However - if you got them from a genuine dealer in your country try to not worry.

    Who says the Youtube videos have not been compressed EQ'D and tweaked?
    I agree with you and more important for me is you've yrs of experience so I must pay attention to what you say.
    Thank you for being so helpful, and diligent


    Quote Originally Posted by rob aylestone View Post
    I tried two SM57s a long time apart - one from 1976 when it cost me near on a weeks wages with a recent one from a couple of years back - vs the counterfeit one. This shows the slihtly weaker bottom end Steenamaroo mentioned above. Looking at the video, the counterfeit actually has a slightly shorter grill opening - I'd not noticed that. Sorry about the pops, but this is direct to the .wav file - no EQ, no processing of any kind.
    I watched you video 2 times and it's so helpful. I can't say thanks in words that you created a video to help me.


    Quote Originally Posted by rob aylestone View Post
    You don't have a remotely similar voice to these people in the clips, me included, so you cannot possibly judge what you are getting. The variables are always microphone AND voice. You may just have what is a lightweight voice? This is evident in the Shure and Mxl clips we've heard. It's just your very softly spoken voice. If you are really worried, I will send you one of my SM57s in the post. Well that set your mind at rest? I'm happy to do this because you're clearly worried.
    I agree with you


    >If you are really worried, I will send you one of my SM57s in the post. Well that set your mind at rest? I'm happy to do this because you're clearly worried.
    I'm happy now. I'd say it again that I can't say in words that you're so helpful to me.

    You jumped out of blue on my thread and being so helpful so far, I'm genuinely grateful to you and added your name to my list (I can't say much about that now...)

    Thank you for being so generous and kind to me, you don't need to send me SM57 via post

    I agree with your opinion that I got the original mic and I gladly accept your advise and what you're trying to teach me (or guiding me in a right direction).


    Rob, I might not be able to help you in Sound or music industry as you've already have tons of experience in this stream but as far as my stream is concerned you're most welcome to ask me for anything / any help, I'd be more than happy to do something for you

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    it's fine cat - we do similar things, so always willing to help. I hope you get the publisher sorted out!

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