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    Seriously I like the 25 a lot, the only thing I miss is the ability to range further on it. I probably will sell it someday and move up to the 49, if I stay as into using this as I think I am, but I do like it a lot, and it is convenient. I got quite a deal on it price wise.

    Yes, I just bought the Spitfire Symphony Orchestra for Christmas. I got the special Christmas wishlist discount. I'm still over the moon with it. A quite endless celebration is going on here.

    I also have Auddict's Strings, they're great stuff. Then there's some other cheapie stuff but it's not worth mentioning really.

    I've been spending part of my time seeing how to best get the Rise and the Leap Motion of mine to integrate with Konakt and it and all. Making some progress there but haven't got it fluid feeling yet.
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    Hmm I wonder if two 25s would work as well as one 49. There's a thought too. I wonder if two ROLI RISES can be set up to work properly at once on one Presonus system. It's complicated enough with Presonus Studio as it is, since Presonus doesn't support MPE directly. I have to set up an instrument track per aftertouch channel, to have poly aftertouch. Not hard to do though that. Heheh. Well there's a lot to think of. Like I said, in my particular case, the discount on the 25 I got made it worth it. I couldn't afford a 49 at the time.
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    Good to hear about your positive experience. Did you try using it with the spitfire or any orchestral library at all? Strings/WoodWinds/Brass?

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    I think it's going to take me a few weeks to learn and evaluate how well it works with the orchestral libraries. If you still want to hear about it then let me know.

    Preliminarily this is where I am at..

    The way the ROLI's work is they record the strike/velocity of a key just like a normal keyboard, though the feel is different naturally, but also have a side to side finger slide which is sent as a pitch bend wheel MIDI message, and then an up down finger slide (up and down the key), which I can't get to work with Kontakt yet and have asked ROLI for help about how it works -- no reply yet. There's also the recording of the upwards release of the key, that I haven't fiddled with yet either in Kontakt and am unsure of how to utilize even when working, and aftertouch, which is basically a continuation of holding the key down more lightly or heavily as you please, I can get that to work in Kontakt and has its uses when tied to volume level in some cases. I think I'll be using that ability a decent amount in future.

    Trying to get all of the ROLI to work with Kontakt is teaching me a lot more about Kontakt. I have mainly only used it in the past as an engine to run plugins, and not used it to tinker with sounds much at all.

    Some orchestral bits work well with using pitch bend as vibrato, some don't, I think the strings tend to more. It's less of a realistic vibrato however to use the finger pitch bend rapidly back and forth than the built in recorded vibrato of a sample library. So it may be not be the best path with a realistic library or realistic music. I'd like to tie vibrato to the finger slide up and down motion, and that'll be great when I can set it up, but some libraries don't have a blend in vibrato ability, you can only key switch to it, so forget it.

    The most fun I have with it is with the CS-80 V which is made for poly aftertouch after all in the first place. I haven't used Equator enough yet to evaluate the ROLI thoroughly either, I've only had it a couple of days, but my impression is Equator could use a lot more sounds than it comes with. If I used Noise I'd probably feel more fulfilled built-in sound wise.

    To sum up at this point, after getting the ROLI, I am still picking up how to get it to work with Kontakt fully, and evaluating each of my library's samples to see how much they can be integrated with it. I had one test where I tried to set up multi track poly aftertouch with one of my orchestral libraries and it was too much for my rather high end system to handle and I just got distortion, so there're a lot of factors as to whether you can set up a ROLI to work fully with one library or another.
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    This is all excellent information actually! Yes, it'd be nice to read about your progress with various libraries and Orchestral ones in particular. Like you said not all libraries have their articulations and effects triggered the same way. I'll keep an eye on this thread for sure. Thanks!

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    I've decided to return the 25 (I was able to after all) and get a 49 instead. I think the 49 is a big investment for someone who hasn't used a ROLI before, so the block might be a way of 'trying it out' too to see if the feel works for a person.

    Equator, the synth that works with the ROLI fully, has not enough sounds on it yet, and doesn't allow importing sounds into it, I hope they allow that in the future.

    I managed to fully get Kontakt to work with the ROLI. The more resource taking orchestral libraries definitely couldn't work with poly aftertouch, though they mostly would work fine with normal aftertouch. I tend to be pretty happy with normal aftertouch as it is at this point, I haven't discovered many applications for poly yet, though that likely could be due to lack of experience as I know some people love it. Time will tell.

    ROLI is getting boxed up to go back, and I'll be waiting on finding a 49 to replace it. I will miss it! The keys were a little tight for me, I would've liked them to be slightly larger, but the keys of the 25 and the 49 are the largest you can get with the newer slide function. The Grand besides being 3x as expensive, despite its larger keys uses older sensors so no up/down slide function. The Block has mini keys, but they're a different shape so it'd be interesting to try it. My local music store has one in stock so I may go and try it out too.

    Spitfire's libraries worked better for me with the ROLI than Auddict's, they just have far more expression controls, vibrato, dynamics, etc. which Auddict is lacking, and so lacking mappable functions to the ROLI's controls. Also I can't map Auddict's library's microphone positions to the aftertouch and slide functions of the ROLI yet, only the touch modwheel substitutes, have to keep tinkering there and figure it out. I will experiment with both more in future.
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