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    Nothing pains me more than people complaining about recording non-death metal guitar tones.
    Granted that any form of music is kinda "wussy" when compared to Death metal, but the fact remains that retaining that "crushing" tone on to a low end-414 (tascam) is the most difficult by a long shot (p.s. if your are afended by this and haven't heard/proformed/recorded death metal, please don't complain. It truely is impossible to compare true death metal to anything without hearing it)
    Here are a few things i've learned from experience:
    -On the 414 low freqs will constantly "fuzz"
    up. When you record (guitar) make sure you turn the bass on the console it's self all the way down. I have no idea WHY this works,
    but it does.
    -Opt for a shure 58, rather than the 57. It handles lows better in my experience. alot of people would argue about this though.
    -Turn DBX off!
    -NEVER....NEVER go direct! The Line 6 POD,
    while a great piece of equiptment, is suitably ONLY for "light-in-the-ass" music,
    I.E. Craptallica, Pantera,slayer (hahaha) the modern wuss metal, anything from the 60-90's. A good amp (mesa boogie, of course)
    driven by a Boss Metal zone,with a Shure miking it is the ONLY way to go for Death metal.
    -The "head on", with a little off to the side
    micing approch, is the most perferable.
    -Reverb, Midrange and effects ARE your enemy
    -On a stranger note: try wrapping the mic in a sock/piece of cloth, to dampen the high freqs.
    - anybody else have any good tips?


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    Sure I got a tip-

    Don't play Death Metal.

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    In the absence of a dude who used to inhabit these parts, named S8-N, I guess I'm the resident metal "expert"... and frankly death metal is old fashioned nowadays dude... it's old news. I'm not sure whether you are familiar with what is currently coming out of Europe, but what can only be descibed as a death/power metal hybrid is being born. That's right, take Cannibal Corpse or Morbid Angel and merge them with Helloween or Iron Maidena and that's what is sounds like.

    Contrary to your views they use 'verb and effects, and their tones aren't quite as heavy - this is of course suited to their more melodic approach.

    Heard of a band called In Flames? If you haven't mark my words... these guys are gonna be huge... check them out at cdnow or something.

    Ohh... and although I haven't tried, I'm sure it's just as hard to attain a decent sounding warm jazz tone on a 414 as it is your death tones!

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    Hey Lucifer Gabriel where's MiddleBrook? Good to see another Virgin-ann around here.

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    That sock thing you talked about is interesting ...Also one thing thats cool is to take a empty papertowel role and tape it to the end of the mic. The reflections that happen inside the tube cause a interesting effect { kinda like a shotgun mic with a serius midrange bump}

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    "... and frankly death metal is old fashioned nowadays dude... it's old news. "

    wow I thought I was the only one who was sick of that stuff (and the whole 'metal' genre. When I hear something from Skid Row I feel like I wanna puke.) I can't believe I used to be in a death metal BAND -- didn't last long though.

    James: "Don't play Death Metal." LOL


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    riiight that made a lot of sense (note some *slight* sarcasm...). i'm not making fun of your music, that's up too you, hell i like the dillenger escape plan as much as satriani and miles davis... but seriously, it'd be just as hard if not harder to get a fat jazz tone, blues tone, or just about any clean tone on the 414 as distorted-to-hell stuff

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    Thank you everyone for not flaming me, well as much as I thought. Here is a, I guess, a follow up:
    Cooperman: I'm not JUST a death metal head!
    My solo stuff is quite like Mortician with the tech of Suffocation or Cannibal Corpse.
    I also play Black Metal, though not melodic but more atonal like Darkthrone, somewhat like Cradle of Filth, Hecate Enthoroned, or At the Gates. I own Jester Race, Whoracle and Colony of In Flames, but I think they're VERY overated; alot like COF. I also know of the Death/power metal, though i'd say it sounds more like Bathory and Iced Earth.

    Mr.Lip: See, this is EXACTLY what I was talking about! Skid Row? How can you compare Death/black metal to cheesy 80's pop? You obviously know nothing about metal, and with that it's impossible to fathom what death metal sounds like.

    JamesHE: Middlebrook is located about 20 miles from Stanton, which is 30 miles from Harrisonburg;roughly 4-5 hours away from Richmond.

    skweeks: I disagree completly. I've recorded (on the 414) everything from gothic acoustic stuff, to classicial pieces (fur eliese -beethoven) i play piano as well,and even <gasp> popular styled songs, which I did as any hardened evil person does....for a girl,
    but the fact remains; the 414 is a great piece of recording gear (for under 400) and remains my personal song writting tool, as long as it is used for "lighter" styles of music. It simply handles the super tech "make Satrani look bad" overly heavy, Death metal VERY poorly because of it's tendancy to "fuzz" low freqs.

    =Until next time. one more tip:
    -Turn the tape speed up even further (turn that "jog" wheel above the cassete to the right) for better sound quality. But make sure you start RECORDING on that speed, else you'll sound like "alvin and the chimpmunks".


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    Need help recording death metal...

    Oh man, I'm so glad I found this post! I'm trying to record death metal at home and I've been having trouble getting a good guitar sound. Let me start out by saying that it is most likely dut to my gear that prevents me from getting that sound I am looking for. I'm using a 30W Marshall practice amp, but I'm trying to find a way to make some magic outta this baby. So I would appreciate any help as to mic placement, setting levels, effects processing, EQing, etc. Here is my setup: 30W Marshall -> Shure SM-57 or 58 -> Behringher mixer -> iMic sound input device -> G4 with Digital Performer 3. Thanks!

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    Quote Originally Posted by Lucifer Gabrielle
    Nothing pains me more than people complaining about recording non-death metal guitar tones.
    Granted that any form of music is kinda "wussy" when compared to Death metal, but the fact remains that retaining that "crushing" tone on to a low end-414 (tascam) is the most difficult by a long shot (p.s. if your are afended by this and haven't heard/proformed/recorded death metal, please don't complain. It truely is impossible to compare true death metal to anything without hearing it)
    Here are a few things i've learned from experience:
    -On the 414 low freqs will constantly "fuzz"
    up. When you record (guitar) make sure you turn the bass on the console it's self all the way down. I have no idea WHY this works,
    but it does.
    -Opt for a shure 58, rather than the 57. It handles lows better in my experience. alot of people would argue about this though.
    -Turn DBX off!
    -NEVER....NEVER go direct! The Line 6 POD,
    while a great piece of equiptment, is suitably ONLY for "light-in-the-ass" music,
    I.E. Craptallica, Pantera,slayer (hahaha) the modern wuss metal, anything from the 60-90's. A good amp (mesa boogie, of course)
    driven by a Boss Metal zone,with a Shure miking it is the ONLY way to go for Death metal.
    -The "head on", with a little off to the side
    micing approch, is the most perferable.
    -Reverb, Midrange and effects ARE your enemy
    -On a stranger note: try wrapping the mic in a sock/piece of cloth, to dampen the high freqs.
    - anybody else have any good tips?
    Mesa Boogie and good amp in the same sentence?!

    AHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAH!

    Good one!

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