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    Quote Originally Posted by mr average View Post
    If only proof of such a concept were even possible. Logic says you cannot prove better at all. At least if there is more than one parameter that might influence the result.
    Go eat another bag of **** man. You obviously have plenty to spare.

    I find you kind of funny in a humorous way, but it is getting old.

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    Quote Originally Posted by jimmys69 View Post
    Go eat another bag of **** man. You obviously have plenty to spare.

    I find you kind of funny in a humorous way, but it is getting old.

    Tic toc....
    Sorry you think that logic and facts are a bag of **** , man.

    This whole forum is so full of **** as you put it that there will be bumper crops this year.

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    Last year I did the Sweetwater amp build. A 5E3 combo, by Mojotone. Purists would say it wasn't an amp build, but a paint by colors gig. Either way, I'm comfortable using a soldering iron and I found the 2-day build demanding, but do-able. I would not have done well at home with a kit, and would stand no chance building from scratch from a schematic. This level was perfect for my skill set.

    Talk about new amp day pride! When that thing fired up and sounded great, I couldn't get the smile of my face if I tried.

    New amp days are great. Enjoy yours!

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    Quote Originally Posted by mr average View Post
    Sorry you think that logic and facts are a bag of **** , man.

    This whole forum is so full of **** as you put it that there will be bumper crops this year.
    any chance you could dial it down a bit?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Buggaluggs View Post
    any chance you could dial it down a bit?
    Yeah, it's not necessary to poison every thread.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Buggaluggs View Post
    any chance you could dial it down a bit?
    I think he's been dialed down to zero....finally.
    "Nothing is better, it's all just different" ...was getting pretty tiresome.

    Sure, there's always the subjective view on some things...but there is also a very analytical side, especially with audio, that most definitely has a "better" component to it, and not just all "different".

    Is a Telecaster "better" than a Stratocaster...? You can't really have a definitive analytical answer.
    Is a Custom Shop Telecaster better than a $150 Chinese knockoff...mmm, yes, it probably is on many levels.
    You might be able to use the knockoff to get some tones that "to you" are useable enough, but, most likely quality is not better, the electronics are not better and so the final tones may also not be better, because there might be some additional harshness because of the cheaper electronic components...etc.
    That's why very often people will strip down a cheaper knockoff and install better hardware and electronics to make it...better.

    That's just guitars, which are pretty straightforward pieces of gear.
    When you get to preamps and equalizers and comps...etc...etc...the higher-end stuff will usually have less distortion, greater signal-to-noise, and generally higher quality components which all go to yield more cleaner and richer audio. Now someone might prefer the sound of the added distortion and noise, and might argue that the two are just "different"...but that's not the greater consensus in the audio/recording world...so then that person is just living in denial.
    Sure, there could be a case where you want the crappier audio for some "effect" or specific "lo-fi" thing...but that's not the usual choice, and 9 out of 10 times most people will reach for the gear that yields the better quality signal.

    So with the amps...the 5E3 amps are great. I love mine. They have some serious personality and identifiable tones, for sure...but like RFR said, a smaller amp/cab just won't be the same as the bigger sound of a 212 setup.
    So in this case...they are just different.

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    In audio there seems to be science - which is objective and comparable in isolation, and then there's everything else.

    From time to time, some little gems pop along. A long time ago, Sound on Sound magazine in the UK found this eastern block mic manufacturer called Oktava, or actually many similar names because nobody really worked out the Russian to English thing very well. They'd been making mics that were so ugly that they looked kind of like the Daleks designed them. The MK209 was two halves of cast aluminium and they nearly matched when screwed together. People in the magazine wrote in (not emailed) to say it was worth filing them to make them less likely to cut your hands. However - horrible though they looked, they sounded really nice. Then the 309 came out looking better, but still kind of industrial with a crinkly baked on enamel paint. I bought two - still got them and use them. I bought a few Chinese made by hand mics when Alibaba first appeared and most were just 'OK', but one factory sent me some that were great, and I bought (and sold) quite a few - until they stopped making microphones and started making lighting when they lost their sound engineer who produced them. Equally I have bought so many below average products that I've come to believe that it's mostly luck. The guy who designed the mics I liked also asked if I would be interested in a copy of the old AKG 451 series - omni, hyper and cardioid screw on capsules. They even copied the crazy fine thread AKG used and they were magic mics, but again - after buying 50, they suddenly stopped.

    My point is simple. Cheap products mainly from china in our field are now better than they ever have been. A cheap mic in the 70s meant I started on Eagle products - made in Japan. Cheap and pretty average by today's standards. The jump from this to a Shure 57, my first 'real' mic was shocking. A totally different and better sound. Now, the differences are smaller. A 30 Chinese Ebay condenser really isn't a rubbish microphone by any standard related to it's price. So many Youtube videos clearly benefit from these over the nasty sound cheap cameras seem to have. If you spend more money, then on paper, often not much changes. We spend hours on here extolling the virtues of preamp X over preamp Y, and talking about a few extra dB of noise performance, but the reality is that we plug them in, set a gain somewhere in the middle and they do a decent job. Is this difference measurable? Yes. Audible? Jury is out. When you have just dropped a grand on a product of course it's going to be better, but I still find I go back to my old favourites. I'm untidy, and I never put things away, apart from the very expensive stuff. So when I need a quick chunk of saxophone for a project and there is an AT2020 on the stand ready, or I could walk into the store and get the little flint case out with a 414 in it, do I bother? No - most times the 2020 is perfectly good enough for that little sax break in the middle 8 that lasts four bars.

    If money was no object, I have a great shopping list in my head - but in the real world, I still buy random stuff and get surprised. Rarely burned.

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    Quote Originally Posted by rob aylestone View Post

    If money was no object, I have a great shopping list in my head - but in the real world, I still buy random stuff and get surprised. Rarely burned.
    Yeah, I've got a lot of random stuff too...picked up when I wasn't really looking to spend a lot, and I figured I meant as well give it a try.
    A week ago I went to pick up a gear isolation box from this guy...it's the 20-space IsoBox made by Sound Construction & Supply (what a big Mofo!), he had it left over from a former studio, and the price was right.
    So while there, he breaks out this "homemade" tube preamp, with a big Hammond tranny, and some interesting tonal shaping options. He says that an old electronics engineer guy built it...they were prototyping out a possible formal build. It looks pretty good for "homemade"...no case, kinda like a small guitar amp chassis without the cabinet.
    So he says for another $150 he'll throw it in with the IsoBox...and goes and grabs a mic so we could try it. Now he's got some Manely gear, some big ass tube mics, and a few other upscale items that he was still keeping, but I figure he must know the differences in quality and sound...so how bad can this homemade tube preamp be...?
    Well...the preamp came home with me. It surprised me that it sounded that good...but then it was built with quality parts, it just had that homemade look.

    So yeah...you can be surprised by a lot of "no-name" gear, for sure.
    That said...in my younger days, and through my studio evolutions, the ultimate "guide" for me as to what's good, what is guaranteed to work can be trusted to at least "help" get you closer to the sound of commercial quality productions without as much effort...has always been to look at what the pros are using.
    Years of audio gear subscriptions (before the internet boom) and lots of reading about stuff in hardcopy, and also later on the net.
    I couldn't always get all the gear I read about, but yeah, if money was no object, I've had long shopping list in my head for a long time!
    Of course...as I got older, I was able to afford more of the things I wanted off that list, though still, I love a good deal and a good gear surprise!

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    Quote Originally Posted by CoolCat View Post
    40watt Twin...I like that idea..and pulling a tube for more sag sounds interesting.
    Im with you on the $1400 savings, for a ding or too, no problem.

    congrats..
    Err, was running on just one recifier valve suggested in the manual or is this just hearsay?

    Thermionic rectifiers are feeble fekkin' things at the best of times and lumping ALL the load on just one if the amp was designed to use two in parallel could lead to early failure and fuse blowing. Possibly a mains traff burnout although that is unlikely.

    Generally chaps DON'T ***ck with valve amps unless you REALLY know what you are doing and/or have deep pockets.

    Dave.

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    Yes...you can pull one rectifier...it's designed that way.

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