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    Intonation Problem

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    I put a new set of Snake Oil Brand nickel strings on the Sorrento last night, .011~.050 with a wound 0.018 G.

    I can't get the strings short enough! The tune-o-matic travel is very limited. I suppose I could raise the action, but it seems OK where it is.

    Any ideas?
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    Quote Originally Posted by apl
    I put a new set of Snake Oil Brand nickel strings on the Sorrento last night, .011~.050 with a wound 0.018 G.

    I can't get the strings short enough! The tune-o-matic travel is very limited. I suppose I could raise the action, but it seems OK where it is.

    Any ideas?
    Are these the same guage as what you took off, or bigger?
    What exactly is the problem? Hitting a high fret when you play past the 12th one?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Dogman
    Are these the same guage as what you took off, or bigger?
    Bigger, I think. The guitar hasn't been played for a long, long, time.

    Quote Originally Posted by Dogman
    What exactly is the problem? Hitting a high fret when you play past the 12th one?
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    No, there are no buzzing frets. The intonation is flat, ie, the 12th fretted notes are a couple of cents flat. It so bad, Light, that I can see it without the Strobetuner! There isn't any more travel in the saddles, unless I turn the saddles around under the bass strings. But that won't help with the B and high E.
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    Quote Originally Posted by apl



    No, there are no buzzing frets. The intonation is flat, ie, the 12th fretted notes are a couple of cents flat. It so bad, Light, that I can see it without the Strobetuner! There isn't any more travel in the saddles, unless I turn the saddles around under the bass strings. But that won't help with the B and high E.
    That seems like quite a bit. Is there anyway to put something between the saddle and string....cut an aluminum can up, and get some really small strips to try? Might work.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Dogman
    That seems like quite a bit. Is there anyway to put something between the saddle and string....cut an aluminum can up, and get some really small strips to try? Might work.
    Ed
    The issue is not getting the strings higher or lower off the fretboard. There's plenty of adjustment left for that. I mentioned raising the action because that would require a longer string to get the intonation right, and then the correct length would fall into the range the saddles can accomodate. I like low action (my DC135 has spoiled me), so I don't really wanna go that route.
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    Have you tried using the guitar on the SURF RUMBLE?

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    Quote Originally Posted by mshilarious
    Have you tried using the guitar on the SURF RUMBLE?
    No, I just got the strings yesterday, and the strings that were on it were way nasty.

    I did try the rumble with the psuedo strat earlier this week, but couldn't come up with anything at all. It was a bit discouraging. I haven't listened to anybody else's yet 'cuz that'd be cheating, kinda.
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    Quote Originally Posted by apl
    Bigger, I think. The guitar hasn't been played for a long, long, time.



    No, there are no buzzing frets. The intonation is flat, ie, the 12th fretted notes are a couple of cents flat. It so bad, Light, that I can see it without the Strobetuner! There isn't any more travel in the saddles, unless I turn the saddles around under the bass strings. But that won't help with the B and high E.
    Gnomes in the gnight have moved your bridge. Stand in a pentagram at midnight and swing a dead cat around your head three times, spit over your left shoulder, click your heels together three times and repeat "there's no place like home" over and over until your intonation comes back in.

    Yeah, it's Friday.... ;^)

    Was the intonation ever for sure correct on this guitar? Could the truss rod be set too tight (bowed back)? You did say that you have no buzzing frets, though so that doesn't seem likely.

    If you were to remove the strings and bridge, are the studs that hold the bridge maybe bent away from the neck? I'm assuming a Les Paul type of setup for the Tune-O-Matic. I AM NOT ADVISING YOU TO DO THIS, but hypothetically, if you were to bend the studs a little toward the neck, you could possibly move the bridge enough in that direction so that the intonation sweet spot would be in the saddle adjustment range. There of course would be a tilt effect on the bridge that would have to not be a problem.

    Moving the studs is of course major surgery and hard to do just a little bit as the old and new holes would overlap.

    That's all I have. Good luck.

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    Quote Originally Posted by ggunn
    Was the intonation ever for sure correct on this guitar? Could the truss rod be set too tight (bowed back)? You did say that you have no buzzing frets, though so that doesn't seem likely.
    Truss rod is fine. I had to tighten it up a smidge for the fatter strings.

    Quote Originally Posted by ggunn
    If you were to remove the strings and bridge, are the studs that hold the bridge maybe bent away from the neck? I'm assuming a Les Paul type of setup for the Tune-O-Matic. I AM NOT ADVISING YOU TO DO THIS, but hypothetically, if you were to bend the studs a little toward the neck, you could possibly move the bridge enough in that direction so that the intonation sweet spot would be in the saddle adjustment range. There of course would be a tilt effect on the bridge that would have to not be a problem.

    Moving the studs is of course major surgery and hard to do just a little bit as the old and new holes would overlap.
    It's not my guitar. I've got it on indefinite loan, so I can't do any mods.

    Quote Originally Posted by ggunn
    That's all I have. Good luck.
    Thanks. I probably don't have a lot of choice but to raise the action.
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    Try a lighter guage set of strings, or just a different set. Sometimes I get a bum set of strings and the intonation just won't work.
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