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    Well, different guitars are going to sound a lot different. Not specifically familiar with those artists but a quick poke around YT and it seems like a single coil sound into a clean amp, which is not far from a DI sound back in the 60s, since you were effectively going through tube preamp stages anyway. Obviously that only works with certain styles where the guitar sound outweighs the amp/fx.

    What guitar and amp-sims are you trying and what's the reference?
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    Yup. Jeff Buckley played mainly a fender tele (through a 65 twin reverb and, sometimes, in a stereo dual rig with a mesa dual rectifier). Billy Bragg plays some custom boutique guitars, mainly t-style or jaguar style (through a fender hot rod deville, I guess).

    I have Gretsch G5425, with two Gretsch Dual-coil Humbuckers. Usually, I play in middle bridge/neck positions, volume and tone dialed half way. Strings are Díaddario nickel 0.10, adjusted in average action. I play mostly full open or bar chords, with loose rhythmic strumming and some licks - oh, and use a lot of capo (at least half of my songs, capo on 5th or 3th fret).
    I was aiming for something close to a folk-country guitar style, but with an alternative rock (almost) clean tone.

    Iíve tried everything with my amp sims, but even with an excellent room simulator (as in Amplitube) it stills sound artificial. I guess it is because there is nothing else happening besides de voice and guitar, so it is realy easy to realize the digital simualtion.

    Moreover, Iím recording just one guitar track, panning 50% left and sending the signal to an auxiliary channel with a slap echo, panned hard right. Vocal is in the middle and everything is routed to an ambience channel with some small room reverb.

    So, it is really a challenge for my newbie skills to make it sound good.

    Good news is that I just trade my old $70 les paul for a Fender Frontman 30w. I guess now that Iím going to be able to record the guitar amp, even a cheap low budget one, Iím going to have more possibilities.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Louie Louie View Post
    Yup. Jeff Buckley played mainly a fender tele (through a 65 twin reverb and, sometimes, in a stereo dual rig with a mesa dual rectifier). Billy Bragg plays some custom boutique guitars, mainly t-style or jaguar style (through a fender hot rod deville, I guess).

    I have Gretsch G5425, with two Gretsch Dual-coil Humbuckers. Usually, I play in middle bridge/neck positions, volume and tone dialed half way. Strings are D’addario nickel 0.10, adjusted in average action. I play mostly full open or bar chords, with loose rhythmic strumming and some licks - oh, and use a lot of capo (at least half of my songs, capo on 5th or 3th fret).
    I was aiming for something close to a folk-country guitar style, but with an alternative rock (almost) clean tone.

    I’ve tried everything with my amp sims, but even with an excellent room simulator (as in Amplitube) it stills sound artificial. I guess it is because there is nothing else happening besides de voice and guitar, so it is realy easy to realize the digital simualtion.

    Moreover, I’m recording just one guitar track, panning 50% left and sending the signal to an auxiliary channel with a slap echo, panned hard right. Vocal is in the middle and everything is routed to an ambience channel with some small room reverb.

    So, it is really a challenge for my newbie skills to make it sound good.

    Good news is that I just trade my old $70 les paul for a Fender Frontman 30w. I guess now that I’m going to be able to record the guitar amp, even a cheap low budget one, I’m going to have more possibilities.
    Double tracking is your friend in getting good tone at times. Also DI benefits from being full on volume, the tone controls not so much. Which is why a powered DI can be useful to use guitar with the volume pots rolled back. Dont forget, eq is your friend in cases like this. So are saturation plugins , used sparingly add harmonic richness, not distortion.
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    I won't say a powered DI or not is good. I don't use them.

    But I would go with Gtoboy on, EQ, reverb, delay, (you pick from whatever). Back in the analog days, a good amps was pretty important to get the sound going in, I mean to many, it still is, but really, it is an electrical signal that one is trying to get a sound out of, so you really don't "need" an amp sim. It just makes it easier or maybe get that "sound".

    Try it, what do you have to lose, you already have a dry signal. Plus, it will always sound different based on what you are mixing to.
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