Soundtracs Topaz Project 8

Nick The Man

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looks like the exact thing i want in the near future but is it possible to find one to purchase??


does anyone ahve a good site to show me that shows mnore detail on this board, because i couldnt find much
 
All the info I could find.....

The Soundtracs Topaz Project 8 replaces the original Topaz mixer, but the changes between the two consoles are largely cosmetic. The body of the Project 8 is now a dark gray Nextel finish. (Nextel resembles a "fuzzy" paint look.) Additionally, the garish pastel knobs of the original Topaz have been replaced with dark knobs for a more professional look, and bushings have been added to the knob shafts, providing a solid feel. Other than these and a few other minor alterations, there are no major feature or performance changes between the discontinued Topaz and the new Topaz Project 8.

The Project 8 is an analog 8-bus mixer designed for multitrack recording that comes in 24- and 32-channel (48- and 64-input) versions. Because it's an in-line design, the Project 8 has two inputs (Channel and Monitor) for each channel strip. Generally, the Channel is used for recording live tracks during tracking and overdubbing and for tape tracks during mixdown. The Monitor can be used to monitor previously recorded tape tracks (or virtual MIDI/workstation tracks) during tracking/overdubbing and for sending any other line input source to the 2-track bus during mixdown.



CHANNEL INPUTS

Starting from the top of the input channel, the Project 8 has a scribble strip and switches for phase reverse, phantom power, flip and bus (more on flip and bus later). The gain pot has a 10dB to 60dB range for mic and a -20dB to 30dB range for line-level signals.

The channel EQ section has a high-shelving band at 12 kHz, low-shelving at 80 Hz, and two swept-mid EQs. MF1 EQ is sweepable from 350 to 8k Hz, and the MF2 EQ is sweepable from 50 to 1k Hz. All EQ has a +/-15dB range and a center detent. EQ bypass switches are provided. A dedicated 2-band EQ devoted to the Monitor input consists of high-/low-shelving EQs (80 and 12k Hz), both with a +/-15 dB range.

The aux section uses a four-of-six arrangement, meaning that there are six aux send outputs, but only four can be used on a channel at a time. Aux 1 is a pre-fader channel send, and Aux 2 is a pre-fader monitor send; unfortunately, these cannot be switched for post-fader use. Auxes 3 and 4 are post-fader sends and can be switched for use with either the Channel or Monitor input. Switches allow routing Aux 3 to the Aux 5 output and Aux 4 to the Aux 6 output.

Each channel's monitor section also has a level pot, center detented panpot for the monitor, as well as illuminated monitor solo and mute switches. Finally, there is a center detented panpot and illuminated solo and mute switches for the Channel input. Beneath that are five channel assignment switches, one for the L-R bus and four for assignment to the eight buses in odd/even pairs. Also standard is a 100mm long-throw fader and a peak LED, which illuminates about 5 dB before clipping.



GROUP AND MASTER SECTIONS

The Topaz has four stereo effects returns, each with a level pot and center detented balance pot, buttons for assignment to its local group and the L/R bus, and an illuminated PFL (Pre-Fader Listen or Solo) button. The local group assignment means that FX1 can only be assigned to Groups 1-2; FX2 to Groups 3-4; FX3 to Groups 5-6; and FX4 to Groups 7-8.

The eight group buses have long-throw faders; above each is an illuminated AFL button and separate Left/Right assign buttons. Pressing both assigns the group output to the L/R mix bus.

The six Aux masters have level pots and illuminated AFL buttons. The master Solo section has a rotary level pot and LED that lights when any solo button on the board is pressed. There is a master monitor mix section with a rotary level pot and a Merge button. Using the separate Monitor L/R outputs, the monitor mix section can function as a completely independent 24x2 or 32x2 submixer. Pressing the monitor mix Merge button doubles the available number of channel inputs by sending the monitor mix to the main L/R outputs.

The studio monitoring section allows monitoring of the main mix, monitor mix, control room source, Aux 1 and Aux 2. The control room section consists of a rotary level pot and buttons to monitor the main mix, monitor mix, Tape A and Tape B. A mono switch provides a quick check for mono compatibility and phase problems, and a speaker A/B switch lets you to switch between two sets of control room monitors. The headphone jack carries the same signal as the control room.

There is a talkback section but no built-in talkback mic. You have to supply your own gooseneck and mic. The section consists of an XLR mic jack, rotary level control and buttons for assignment to the studio, groups, Aux 1 and Aux 2.

The L/R master outputs are controlled by two 100mm long-throw faders. Three LEDs indicate the status of the power supply rails. Levels for the tape inputs and outputs can be internally switched between +4 and -10. There are ten LED meters for the eight groups and the L/R bus. The L/R meters also show solo levels. Each meter has ten segments and is calibrated from -21 dB to +6 dB, in 3dB increments.



CONNECTIONS

All of the jacks, except for headphone and talkback, are located on the back of the mixer. The mic inputs are XLRs; all others are 1/4-inch phone jacks. Inserts are TRS, requiring Y-cables for sends and returns.

Each channel has five jacks: mic, line, insert, monitor/tape in and tape out. There are separate mic and line input jacks, but as there is no mic/line switching, only one source should be plugged into these jacks for each channel. Whatever is plugged into the mic or line jacks is by default routed to the channel input. The insert jack (post-EQ) allows you to process each channel individually. The monitor/tape in jack is routed by default to the monitor input section on the channel strip. You will normally connect your tape returns here, but you can connect any other line-level source. Pressing the Flip button reverses the channel and monitor assignments. Whatever is connected to the mic or line inputs will now be routed to the monitor section, and whatever is plugged into the monitor/tape inputs will now be routed to the channel section.

Project 8 employs an elegant floating-bus scheme, which allows you to record using direct outputs or the group bus, without repatching. The tape out jacks connect to your tape inputs and serve double duty as both direct outs and group bus outs. These work in conjunction with the bus switches on the channel strip. When the bus switch for a channel is not depressed, that channel's tape out jack functions as a direct out.

In addition to the floating-bus scheme, Project 8 has eight dedicated Group Out jacks. The rest of the back panel contains eight TRS insert jacks for the groups, Aux 1-6 output jacks, four TRS stereo effects return jacks, control room A and B L/R jacks, studio L/R jacks, main L/R jacks, main L/R TRS inserts, monitor mix L/R jacks, 2-track A and 2-track B L/R input jacks, and connections for the outboard power supply, optional meter bridge and automation. Although non-rackmountable, the power supply's convection cooling does not require a fan and provides silent operation.



OPTIONS

The optional meter bridge contains the same type of LED metering that is used on the Topaz and has one meter for each channel, as well as two standard VU meters for the L/R Mix. The meter bridge plugs into the connectors provided for it on the back of the Project 8. The 24-channel meter bridge is $849; a 32-channel version is $949.

The optional VCA fader/mute automation consists of a 1U rackmount unit, one ribbon cable for each 8 channels of automation, automation software for Windows, and a manual. If you buy the Project 8 with the automation, the VCAs will already be installed in the Project 8 for you. If you buy the automation afterwards, the VCAs will have to be installed, which involves taking apart the Project 8. (For further information about the Project 8 automation, please see the sidebar, "Project 8 Automation.")



OPINIONS

The Project 8 has a nice feature set. Besides individual phantom power on each channel, it has phase-reverse switching, which is not commonly found on mixers in this price range. Project 8 also offers dedicated 2-band EQ for the monitor section, so you don't have to worry about splitting the main channel EQ. I also liked having both Mute and Solo switches in the monitor section. Using its Merge button feature, you can treat the monitor section as an independent submixer or merge it with the L/R mix. Having the peak LEDs near the channel faders makes them very easy to see.

The studio and control room monitoring sections are flexible, with provisions for playback of two tape machines without repatching. If you have near-field and main speakers, the two sets of speaker outputs allow you to switch easily between them. Combine this with a flexible talkback section, separate headphone level control, extensive group assignment capability, and a master Solo LED with level control, and you have a potent set of features that make the Project 8 an excellent mixer for any project studio.

The Project 8 sounds fabulous. From the moment I first heard it, I was impressed by its sound quality. Even with the EQ set flat, I liked what the Project 8 did to the sound. With virtually any signal that I tried with it, the Project 8 imparted a very pleasing, slightly "compressed," yet natural sound. It tended to make all my mixes sound like a "record," even with the EQ set flat. So yes, the Project 8 does have a distinct tonal quality, but I like it. I felt it improved the sound of my recordings and mixes.

Another major plus for this board is its so-called "British EQ." Soundtracs has a winner with the EQ used on the Project 8. I can't say enough good things about it. The lows were tight without being boomy. The highs were crisp and airy, yet not shrill. The two mid-bands were well-defined without being muddy or harsh. In a word, the Project 8 equalization is musical. And you get six bands of it! The EQ is a standout in this fine-sounding mixer.

The Project 8's mic preamps were very quiet. I used them with dynamic and condenser mics, and I was perfectly satisfied with them for a mixer in this price range.

The Project 8 also has plenty of headroom. I could always get ample gain for any signal I fed to the Project 8, yet I never encountered any distortion problems. The board is very quiet and is particularly well-suited for digital recordings. However, there was one slight problem. The peak LEDs on each channel tend to light at too low a level (that is, even though the peak LED was lit, I could still increase the gain quite a bit without hearing any distortion). The manual states that the peak LEDs should light 5 dB before clipping, but in fact they light at a much lower level. For example, when recording kick drum, the peak LED would be continuously lit, yet no clipping was present.



ERGONOMICS

The Project 8 is attractive and well-laid- out, with overall good construction. The board is raised in the rear and slopes down toward you, making most of the channel legends visible while providing adequate space to operate the controls. All the buttons on the board snap into place with a reassuring click and the height of the buttons makes it easy to determine whether a button is up or down. One nice touch is that all Solo and Mute buttons light up when depressed. The actual buttons themselves light up, making it very easy to see exactly what has been pressed.

I also liked the feel of the faders. They were smooth, but not too loose-feeling. However, there are no rubber coverings in the fader wells. Soundtracs said this was a design decision--if the rubber warps, it could interfere with the fader's travel. The knobs feel a bit flimsy, and sometimes it was difficult to find the center detents.

Also, I would have liked the metering to have better resolution. I found the meters to be a bit finicky at times. When setting levels, I would be at -3 dB, and just a slight increase in the level would light the 0dB LED and would cause the +3 and +6 LEDs to flash on peaks. I also had a slight problem with my meter bridge, but Soundtracs assured me that the problem would be corrected when the final units shipped. I have now verified that the units that I have seen in stores have had the problem corrected. All in all, the Project 8 has a good look and feel for a mixer in this price range.

I have a few minor complaints about the Project 8. First, there is no built-in talkback mic. Second, there is no Solo In Place. Third, you can only assign the effects returns to their local groups. Fourth, the +4/-10 settings for the tape ins and outs can only be changed internally. But these are minor problems, and you can work around them. However, I did find the Aux Send section to be somewhat limiting.

As I mentioned, there is a dedicated channel cue send and a dedicated monitor cue send. But only two (out of four) post-fader effects sends are usable at one time. And if you assign one of these to the Monitor section, you only have one post-fader send for the channel during mixdown. With the low cost of today's effects units, I think that many people have more than two effects units available at mixdown, yet Project 8 only provides two simultaneous post-fader sends. I think a minimum of four post-fader sends should be available at mixdown for a board in this price range.

However, Soundtracs says that future Project 8s will be designed with internal links, configurable to use Aux 1 and 2 as pre- or post-fader sends, although Aux 2 will still be devoted to the monitor. And further, they will be set from the factory as post-fader sends. So according to Soundtracs, future Project 8 units will have 4 post-fader sends, with one dedicated to the channel, one dedicated to the monitor, and two that can be individually split between the channel and the monitor, and the first two can be internally configured as pre-fader sends. But changing the default settings will involve disassembling the Project 8 and either cutting or soldering the links. Other than the limited number of post-fader sends, I found the Project 8 to be a very well-thought-out board with a host of useful features.

The manual is relatively thick, but about half of it contains parts lists and schematics. Some of the information in the feature section is sketchy. For instance, the entire description of the phase button states, "The phase button reverses the phase of the input signal to cancel out-of-phase conditions." But no information is given as to when the input signal might be out of phase and why you would want to cancel out of phase conditions. I realize the manual is not intended to be a primer on multitrack recording, but since the Project 8 is marketed toward the project studio market, more thorough descriptions are warranted, and a tutorial would be a nice addition. However, the manual has excellent sections on the principles of sound recording and hooking up, and technical information, as well as a helpful block diagram.



HOME STRETCH

The bottom line is that the Soundtracs Topaz Project 8 sounds great, has a good feature set, is attractive, ergonomic and well-built, offering an optional meter bridge and VCA fader/mute automation, all at a very attractive price. But how attractive? U.S. retail pricing is as follows: 24-channel Project 8: $3,995; 32-channel Project 8: $4,995. I would recommend the Topaz Project 8 to anyone interested in a solid analog 8-bus in-line recording mixer. If you're looking for an alternative to the Mackie 8-Bus series of mixers, the Topaz Project 8 may be just the ticket.

(Special thanks to Danil Dreger, the manager of the Queens, NY, Sam Ash store, for loaning me power cables when my review unit arrived with cables, but no plugs.)

PROJECT 8 Automation

For those who need additional horsepower, an optional automation package is available for the Topaz Project 8. Combined with your Windows computer, this option adds $2,200 to the retail of a 24-channel board, or $2,500 to a 32-channel mixer.

The Project 8 Automation was a snap to install because the VCAs were already installed in the review Topaz I received. The VCAs, according to the manual, are the latest trimmable versions from Analog Devices. It took about ten minutes to hook up the hardware and five minutes to install the software. I received V1.01 software for Windows. The Project 8 automation is controlled through the software only and not through the faders and mutes on the mixer. The software has an attractive user interface and was relatively reliable in operation. The manual was a bit sketchy, but it tells you what you need to know to get started. I was up and running in no time.

The automation records and synchronizes mixdown events using MIDI Time Code (MTC), and it supports MIDI Machine Control (MMC). The frame rates supported are 24, 25, 30 ndf, and 30 df. The automation allows control of channel fader levels and channel mute on/off. You cannot control monitor, Group or L/R fader levels or monitor mutes.

There are three main windows: Main Fader, Group, and Mix File. The Main Fader window can be configured for 24 or 32 channels, and it displays a replica of the mixer faders and mutes. Fader and mute levels are controlled by pointing and clicking and dragging these controls. However, the actual hardware mixer's settings do not move. You can put either the faders, mutes or both in Record mode, which records all your fader and mute moves; in Play mode, which replays those moves; or in Trim mode (faders only), which allows you to record events on-the-fly, while the mix is playing back. An Isolate mode allows you to mix "live," without recording your mix moves. In addition, a Safe switch prevents you from accidentally changing any settings, and there are stereo channel links for locking any two adjoining channels into a stereo pair. Any changes made to one channel affect the linked channel. Master channel controls put all channels, except those in Safe mode, into Play, Record, Trim, Isolate or Safe modes. You can also set all channel fader levels to 0 dB (nominal level) or off, and you can change the view of the Main Fader window from small to large.

The Groups window allows you to group any number of channel faders, controlled by a single fader. These virtual software groups bear no relation to the 8 group outputs on the Project 8.

The Project 8 automation supports both real-time mixing and offline editing. That is, you can make changes to your mix after you have recorded it in real time. Snapshot automation is also available, which will reset all faders and mutes to the positions they were in when you took the snapshot.

Offline editing takes place in the Mix File window. Here you can insert, delete, move, copy, join and nudge events using a timeline. There is also an Undo button and numerous zoom levels. You can also automatically fade the mix out (but not in) and save, load and name individual mixes. There are many other ways to edit your mix events, but space prohibits me from mentioning them all.

There is also a Notes window for writing comments about the mix and a very nice Tracksheet. You can select numerous options and save them. There are nine menus consisting of File, Edit, Tools, Snapshots, View, Console, Options, Window and Help, as well as a Toolbar. There is a timecode display window with transport controls, for use with MMC, that is always visible. It can be moved, but not closed or placed behind other windows. I found that this window tended to get in the way.

Using the automation was generally a pleasure. The software has extensive online help. Everything worked as it should, and the system only crashed once. The software was intuitive and easy to use. Although I've been automating mixes with MIDI sequencers for years, this was my first time using software to control a hardware mixer, and the results were quite satisfying. The Project 8 uses dynamic frame-accurate fader and 1/4-frame-accurate mute automation. I had no trouble with zipper noise, but there was a small problem with the end of the faders' taper: When I manually faded out a track, the sound would be totally faded out when the software fader was not fully down. Other than that problem, the automation worked remarkably well.

There is no hardware fader pack to control the automation so, to the best of my knowledge, all mix moves have to be made through software or through some kind of third-party fader pack. But for software automation, it did a fine job and I recommend it. --DJF

Soundtracs, Unit 21-D, Blenheim Rd., Longmead Industrial Estate, Epsom, Surrey KT19 9XN UK; phone: 44/181/388-5000; fax: 44/181/388-5050.

Dominick J. Fontana, an attorney in New York City, is the owner of Studio di Fontana, a multitrack/MIDI recording studio. He is also a Sysop in the CompuServe MIDI/Music Forum.
 
http://www.studiosystems.co.uk/forsale_usedmixingconsoles.htm

Check there from time to time. Tim is an ex Soundtracs engineer. He buys them in gives them a full service and sells them on. He's a good guy. He has a whole range of Soundtracs boards, the PC Midi and the SOLO might be in your range too.

I always see these on ebay and I'm sure Bluebear had one or maybe it was Michael or massive master...I forget.
 
Never used the Topaz but I own a Solo 24. Really solid console IMHO. I believe Harvey Gerst uses or did use a Topaz in one of his mix rooms. You might pm him for some more info.
 
yeah lemontree ... god how i wish i had enough money right now

damn it sucks well of course i have over enough money in the bank but thats for a car.......... GOD i hate this!
 
The Topaz caught my eye when I was first looking for a 24x8 console. I probably would've bought one if I didn't buy the Allen & Heath that I did. They seem like they're solid as long as you find one in good shape. I also really like the floating buss architecture they have.

I've tossed around the idea of selling my A&H at some point and maybe buying a Topaz, but I don't think I'm going to. The next time I buy a console I want it to be a pretty decent step forward.

Speaking of...does anyone know of any consoles in the 4-7k range that are non-patchbay equipped but have their patch points on punchdown or screw-down terminals rather than 1/4" jacks? Or is that not really done at all? Buying TRS jacks can really add up quick.
 
Adam P said:
The Topaz caught my eye when I was first looking for a 24x8 console. I probably would've bought one if I didn't buy the Allen & Heath that I did. They seem like they're solid as long as you find one in good shape. I also really like the floating buss architecture they have.

I've tossed around the idea of selling my A&H at some point and maybe buying a Topaz, but I don't think I'm going to. The next time I buy a console I want it to be a pretty decent step forward.

Speaking of...does anyone know of any consoles in the 4-7k range that are non-patchbay equipped but have their patch points on punchdown or screw-down terminals rather than 1/4" jacks? Or is that not really done at all? Buying TRS jacks can really add up quick.



hey what A&H did you get??????????
 
I was going to get a Project Topaz originally, from the guy in the UK
would of cost me about 3K AUS plus shipping,
since than i've found
a A&H System 8 MKII in great nick for 2K AUS (including GST/Shipping).

I'm pretty sure the topaz is a knock off of the A&H
but i'm sure they'd beg to differ. :rolleyes:

D&R good recommendation, try pick up a Orion or 4000 series.
Pretty sure they are in the 3K range thou.
 
Nick The Man said:
hey what A&H did you get??????????

I have an A&H System 8. I like it, but it has a couple shortcomings.

xstatic said:
Floating buss architecture? If you want to see some real floating busses, go look at the D&R's:)

Only if you show me the 24x8x2 ones that cost under a grand :)
 
First, $1900 seems very steep for an A&H System 8 console. Secondly, I don't remember the system 8 being anything like a Topaz, but are certainly cool little boards in their own right. Years ago I actually had one in my studio until I switched to a TAC Scorpion.

As far as floating busses goes, I would not say that a Topaz even has floating busses. That was kind of what I meant by floating busses. My D&R however does. There are no dedicated buss faders anywhere on the console. The master section only has 2 stereo faders. One for Audio, and one for the VCA system. However, it is a 24 buss console. ANY fader on the board can become a group fader. This means I could put my drum group faders right above the drums if I want, or I could assign all my groups to be at the far right of the console, or right in the middle etc... Thats what I meant by taking a look at the D&R version of floating subgroubs.

As far as price, D&R's will most likely be out of the projected price range. However, I have seen some system 4000's sell for about $1200 before, and I personally bought 2 at the same time for $1600 about 4 years ago.

Nick, if you would like to see what my D&R looks like, take a look at my Myspace page. The link is at the bottom of this post:)
 
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