Hyperthreading with Cubase 8 Elements Im confused

CAM1

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Ive been trying to find out if Cubase8 supports Hyper threading or not and cant seem to find any definitive answer.

Im in the process of getting my first dedicated desktop pc built by Scan and am trying to decide wheather to go for an i5 4690 or i7 7690 CPU.

If Cubase doesnt fully support hyperthreading will the i7 chip really make that much difference to my systems performance since there is so little difference in the base speed of both. Or are there other reasons why the i7 will be markedly better

Im new to all this and realise that there might be a very simple if not obvious answer but the more I research the more confused I seem to get.

I am on a fairly tight budget which is why I ask otherwise I would just go what the hell and get the i7.

Any answers, advice that help me decide would be great.

I will only be recording two or three live tracks at one time but will be mixing up to 20 or so tracks max with VSTIs, plug ins, EQ and other effects on most of them.

Thanks

Cameron
 
According to this LINK, it looks like hyperthreading is not a problem.

I run with an i7 and Cubase 7.5 and don't have any problems. Don't over analyze it.
 
be careful with scan, their customer service is absolutely dire, the worst I've ever experienced, they are a really bad company to get your PC built, just wait until you get an RMA lol you are in for an absolute nightmare, they made me wait for 6 weeks before finally giving me the money back...

As for hyperthreading, the i7 will make a slight performance difference overall, not just in cubase, you need to work out if that difference is worth the extra cost, you could put that money towards more RAM for example.
 
Thanks for the warning about Scan
BTW what is an RMA ? showing my ignorance here.

As Im going to be taking the system out to Oman where I'll be for the next three years customer service is really important. Can you suggest any other UK suppliers to get my system built by.

I am now thinking that the i5 4690 will be fine for me and I could up the RAM to 16gb with the saving, combined with a 250gb SSD and a 1tb 7,200 hdd.
Does this sound about right for my needs in terms of tracks VSTIs etc etc

Cameron
 
Yeah. over analyzing, agonising and dithering all conditions I suffer from.:facepalm:


I know the feeling.

RMA is for process for returning items to a manufacturer or retailer. It means Returns Material Authorization or something like that. Companies like to keep track of what's coming back and why. They'll usually have you fill out a form, issue you an RMA number and give you directions on how to return something.
 
I know the feeling.

RMA is for process for returning items to a manufacturer or retailer. It means Returns Material Authorization or something like that. Companies like to keep track of what's coming back and why. They'll usually have you fill out a form, issue you an RMA number and give you directions on how to return something.

correct it's actually american, when something fails and you return it.
 
Thanks for the warning about Scan
BTW what is an RMA ? showing my ignorance here.

As Im going to be taking the system out to Oman where I'll be for the next three years customer service is really important. Can you suggest any other UK suppliers to get my system built by.

I am now thinking that the i5 4690 will be fine for me and I could up the RAM to 16gb with the saving, combined with a 250gb SSD and a 1tb 7,200 hdd.
Does this sound about right for my needs in terms of tracks VSTIs etc etc

Cameron

Well I would recommend over-clockers as a good example, they have a great reputation, don't get me wrong Scan can be OK, but not when you have a problem, that's when they are bad, luckily I've only ever had one problem and it wasn't serious, also look at some independent PC builders instead of the big companies, they might be able to get you a better deal.
 
Well I would recommend over-clockers as a good example, they have a great reputation, don't get me wrong Scan can be OK, but not when you have a problem, that's when they are bad, luckily I've only ever had one problem and it wasn't serious, also look at some independent PC builders instead of the big companies, they might be able to get you a better deal.

I can recommend these guys:

PCSPECIALIST - Custom PCs, Custom Computers, Custom PC, Desktop PC, Custom Built Computers, Gaming PC

I'm active on the forums there and have recommended them to a friend, who is happy with his build from them. They're not perfect, but it's clear to me that good customer experiences vastly outweigh the bad experiences.
 
Yes Im in Oman which is a bit of a problem.

I cant get a system built out here so I have to get it built in the uk and take it out with me by air (courier would cost far too much)
So I am going to have to make it as safe as possible since size and weight means I will have to check it into cargo, even with a micro ATX based system, will need to take out at least the CPU cooler and pad the whole thing really well. And keep fingers and everything else crossed.
Any tips for doing this appreciated.

This also means that sending it back with an RME would be a complete nightmare.

I had a bad experience with PCSpecialist a few years ago with two laptops so am a bit wary of them, but I will check out overclockers and any others I can find on the net.

Thanks all I am getting closer to a final spec and desicion

Cameron
 
Sorry, I'm a little late but that's just me.

I am also building a new desktop system and my main objective is for it to run quiet and cool.

I have also run into the question of hyper-threading.

I think that this might help: Go to the "Steinberg website" (HomeÂ*:Â*Welcome to SteinbergÂ*|Â*http://www.steinberg.net/) click on "Support". Click on "Knowledge Base" and scroll down to the "Keyword search" field. Enter "Hyper-threading" and "#337 Hyper-threading and ASIO Guard" will pop-up. It's a very clear explanation from someone on the Steinberg staff.

I have decided on an Intel I5-4570S processor as it only consumes 65 watts. My old Quad core AMD used 95 watts.

I mostly want a quiet desktop computer. My quiet little laptop has spoiled me.
 
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I was on a Steinberg page today that detailed suggested settings, and it suggested turning off hyperthreading on hyperthread-capable computers. Not sure what date it was posted, but it was not deeply hidden on the site.

https://www.steinberg.net/nc/en/sup...ails/kb_show/optimizing-windows-for-daws.html

Steinberg said:
Optimizing Windows for DAWs

1. Please examine your system and make sure that all device drivers of the system are up to date. This involves the drivers of the audio hardware as well as the chipset drivers and the display card drivers. Also Windows should be up to date (Service Packs and updates/hot fixes). You should avoid using dedicated mouse and keyboard drivers, instead use the drivers provided by Windows!

2. Systems with shared memory display setups are not advisable. They often can be found on mobile systems (laptops).

3. Audio interface related settings:

Onboard sound cards: If your mainboards provides an onboard sound card it should be configured to be the standard playback device in the Windows Sound and Audio Settings. Thus, the Windows system sound will be played back by the onboard device without affecting the audio signal of your audio interface or soundcard. However, if playback issues occur it can also be advisable to deactivate the onboard device in the BIOS of your system. Onboard soundcards cannot be recommended for the usage with our products since they do not allow working with low latencies due to missing ASIO drivers. Furthermore, some onboard sound chips are equipped with substandard AD/DA converters and only offer low signal quality (high noise level, non-linear frequency response, bad electrostatic shield).
Latency/Buffer Setting: If you experience audio drop-outs or crackles take a look at the "ASIO" part of the VST Performance Window (Devices menu). It indicates how much resources are left to calculate the audio data and forward it to the audio driver in time. If the latency is very low (which is corresponding to a very small buffer size) time might be too short for proper signal processing. Depending on the system, the audio interface and the running project, it might make sense to increase the latency/buffer setting. Please refer to the manual of the corresponding audio interface for details. Updating the audio driver might also improve the overall system performance and allow using latencies which weren't usable before. Generally, internal audio cards using the PCI or PCIe bus are able to provide lower latencies than external USB or Firewire based audio interfaces.
4. Any energy saving option should be deactivated or set to "none". The system should be configured for continued operations. If this is not done, hard disks will throttle in speed or toggle off after a while and some processors will down clock and slow down. Because of this, our products could stop functioning correctly. For current Cubase and Nuendo releases, please see #9 which covers this part.

5. Programs that are running in background can cause issues while working with our products or even already during installation. These programs are mostly configured to automatically start when Windows boots up, e.g. virus scanners, security software, firewalls, printer and media software. It is advisable to deactivate these programs and slim out your auto start. You can mostly configure this through the settings of the program itself or you must manually deactivate them through typing "msconfig" (without the "") via Start -> Run.

6. Disable Hyper-Threading if your CPU supports it (e.g. Intel i7) and you use older sequencer versions than Cubase 7 and Nuendo 6 (details).

7. Disable advanced power-saving and dynamic performance options for your CPU. This usually needs to be done in the BIOS or UEFI of your computer and includes Enhanced Intel SpeedStep (EIST), AMD Cool 'n' Quiet, Intel Turbo Boost, and AMD Turbo CORE.

8. Disable C-States in the BIOS/UEFI, if your computer's BIOS/UEFI gives you this option. C-States allow your CPU to sleep when idle, which may interfere with real-time applications such as audio. This option is often called "Disable CPU Idle State for Power Saving" in the BIOS/UEFI.

9. Using the DPC latency checker: This free tool of the company Thesycon analyses your DAW and checks for issues that interrupt audio streaming. Please refer to the manufacturer's website for further information on how to use it.

10. Processor scheduling (Windows XP only): It might make sense to set the processor scheduling to "Background services":

Go to Windows Start menu, select "Control Panels"
Start "System"
Select the tab "Advanced"
Click on "Settings" in the section "Performance"
In the window "Performance Options" select the tab "Advanced"
There you find the "Processor scheduling" options, set it to "Background services"
 
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