Revalver

[paresh]

Hi - I'm just starting w revalver (lite). The help file says it has delay but I don't see it anywhere? I'm guessing it's only found in the full version, even though the lite version help file says otherwise?? Thanks.

[James Argo]

Yes, it's only found in ReValver full version, along with several more effects available

[paresh]

Thanks...I was listening to see if the Revalver fx are about the same quality as C.walk GT Pro. They seem to be, so far...

[Bulls Hit]

I use the Revalver that comes with GT Pro, usually on the bass track to lift it out a bit.

I find there's a background noise with it, like tape hiss or amp hum. I've fiddled with the various knobs, but can't seem to get rid of the noise.

Any suggestions?

[Porter]

Originally posted by Bulls Hit
I use the Revalver that comes with GT Pro, usually on the bass track to lift it out a bit.

I find there's a background noise with it, like tape hiss or amp hum. I've fiddled with the various knobs, but can't seem to get rid of the noise.

Any suggestions?

Could be the gain somewhere picking up the noise of the guitar pick up... I'm guessing you are using a single coil? It is the same hum as plugging a single coil guitar into amp with the gain up.

Hope this helps,

Porter

[James Argo]

Yes indeed... the only problem with ReValver is the noise. I've always "clean" the noises with CoolEdit Pro 2 after applying the effect to audio clip. I've heard someone using Amplitube VST has the same problem. Looks like software amp simulation is still heading long way compared to hardware based...

ps. Don't ask Pedullist and moskus... the answer will be...

Pedullist : GET POD Line 6 !!!

moskus : GET Behringer V-Amp 2 !!!

[Bulls Hit]

Originally posted by Porter
Could be the gain somewhere picking up the noise of the guitar pick up... I'm guessing you are using a single coil? It is the same hum as plugging a single coil guitar into amp with the gain up.

Hope this helps,

Porter

I'm actually using a bass tone on a Casio keyboard (ow Ameteur) for the bass so there's no pickups involved.

I think i"ll have to do what James suggests and clean it up afterwards

[moskus]

Originally posted by James Argo
Yes indeed... the only problem with ReValver is the noise. I've always "clean" the noises with CoolEdit Pro 2 after applying the effect to audio clip. I've heard someone using Amplitube VST has the same problem. Looks like software amp simulation is still heading long way compared to hardware based...

ps. Don't ask Pedullist and moskus... the answer will be...

Pedullist : GET POD Line 6 !!!

moskus : GET Behringer V-Amp 2 !!!

You're a funny guy, aren't you?!?




Anyway, you could also try a DI-box.

The problem is that the pickups on the guitar is reacting on the ions from your computer monitor(s). You could just move away from the compute, but that's not always an option.

[James Argo]

Originally posted by moskus
The problem is that the pickups on the guitar is reacting on the ions from your computer monitor(s). You could just move away from the compute, but that's not always an option.

THAT"S IT !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Over 4000 posts and you just tell me about it now Why didn't you tell me earlier ? I always wonder why the noises of my Mackie 1202 even bigger than my -rather cheaper- Phonic mixer when recording electric guitar... It's because the Phonic is abit far away from the PC. I have to be close enough to the PC to use the Mackie... THAT'S THE CORE OF THE PROBLEM.... multiply with dual monitor !!!!! BBBBBUUUUZZZZZZZ....... I tried shut the monitor off before hit the record (R) button.... SILENT!!!!

THANKS MATE !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!





...okay, it also has something to do with SB Live!'s bad behaviour.... but hey... it's cute... what can I say

[moskus]

You really didn't know? I'm sure I've said this before... well, now you know the Guitarist-Computer-Musicians Big Secret!


And the buuuuuuuzzzzzzzz-sound is really kicking off with Dual Monitors. I turn one of during recording.

[James Argo]

Originally posted by moskus
And the buuuuuuuzzzzzzzz-sound is really kicking off with Dual Monitors. I turn one of during recording.

Are you sure it's your monitor ?


...not the Beh... *cough* V-... *cough* uumh...


I mean not the lightning strikes your neighbour's server...

[Porter]

I've actually found out that different monitors make different interference, ie different sounds... My 15" Monitor doesn't give as much interference as my 19" Monitor, so I have to cramp my whole program onto the 15"... and that hurts, but some days I don't get as much intereference... work it out, I can't???

It must be how the guitar feels that day.

Porter

[acidrock]

Is it true that LCD monitors don't interfere with your signal?

[Porter]

I believe so... from what I've heard... there was a post in the Computer forum saying that they didn't interfer... plus they take up much less space on your desk

Porter

[moskus]

Originally posted by James Argo
Are you sure it's your monitor ?
...not the Beh... *cough* V-... *cough* uumh...
I mean not the lightning strikes your neighbour's server...

Yeah, I have the same problem with my Fender Pro Reverb with 250 W power!



And you won't have this problem at all with LCDs. I've tried!

[paresh]

I have a laptop w LCD monitor & it's fine. However the power supply is another (noisy) story which I've posted about in the past.

[Porter]

Originally posted by Bulls Hit
I'm actually using a bass tone on a Casio keyboard (ow Ameteur) for the bass so there's no pickups involved.

I think i"ll have to do what James suggests and clean it up afterwards

Sorry I missed this post... have you tried turning down the volume on the keyboard? it is possible that the output of the keyboard's out are producing the noise when they are set at the high volume..

Just a late thought...

Porter

[ino]

Originally posted by James Argo
Yes indeed... the only problem with ReValver is the noise. I've always "clean" the noises with CoolEdit Pro 2 after applying the effect to audio clip. I've heard someone using Amplitube VST has the same problem. Looks like software amp simulation is still heading long way compared to hardware based...

ps. Don't ask Pedullist and moskus... the answer will be...

Pedullist : GET POD Line 6 !!!

moskus : GET Behringer V-Amp 2 !!!

I guess the noise you get from those amp sims is made on purpose to simulate real amplifyers... they add noise at some frequencies determined by the amp model you chose... Its sad, but its the noise difference that diferentiates the amp models on your amp simulators. if you can cut some freqs, you could lower the noise without compromising the record, but thats just a myth...

[moskus]

Originally posted by ino
I guess the noise you get from those amp sims is made on purpose to simulate real amplifyers... they add noise at some frequencies determined by the amp model you chose...

Yeah, this is true. But that "noise" isn't experienced as "noise", more like "warmth" if you know what I mean.

[James Argo]

Originally posted by ino
I guess the noise you get from those amp sims is made on purpose to simulate real amplifyers... they add noise at some frequencies determined by the amp model you chose... Its sad, but its the noise difference that diferentiates the amp models on your amp simulators. if you can cut some freqs, you could lower the noise without compromising the record, but thats just a myth...

You were right, ino...
But it's somehow different. I mean, the noises shouldn't be this loud and harsh. It almost "kill" my original signal, even if I mute the guitar with my palm (holding the strings). I have couple crappy real amps, but they sound alot better (lesser noise) than the software simulator. Guess I'll have POD or V-Amp in my wish list...


Jaymz

[James Argo]

Originally posted by ino
I guess the noise you get from those amp sims is made on purpose to simulate real amplifyers... they add noise at some frequencies determined by the amp model you chose... Its sad, but its the noise difference that diferentiates the amp models on your amp simulators. if you can cut some freqs, you could lower the noise without compromising the record, but thats just a myth...

You were right, ino...
But it's somehow different. I mean, the noises shouldn't be this loud and harsh. It almost "kill" my original signal, even if I mute the guitar with my palm (holding the strings). I have couple crappy real amps, but they sound alot better (lesser noise) than the software simulator. Guess I'll have POD or V-Amp in my wish list...


Jaymz

[moskus]

I've always found that treating a guitar-signal before letting it enter the computer gives much better results. I mean, all amp.simulators (they be software or hardware) will give that amp noise to simulate an amp. But for some reason software just is much more intollerant of the input signal.

[ino]

Originally posted by moskus
Yeah, this is true. But that "noise" isn't experienced as "noise", more like "warmth" if you know what I mean.

I wish that that "noise" could be checked or knobbed off... a simulator knob or something, so I could add my own warmth at my will... simulators suck, as I cannot find a good software distortion for my bass which is (almost) totally recorded, 11 tracks for my band, and the sims just piss me off!!! I thought they could behave in a better way.

I guess I'll go with a distortion and then free filter it from some band's cool bass distortion.....

[Bulls Hit]

Originally posted by Porter
Sorry I missed this post... have you tried turning down the volume on the keyboard? it is possible that the output of the keyboard's out are producing the noise when they are set at the high volume..

Just a late thought...

Porter

No, the keyboard records totally clean. The noise only appears once I add Revalver to the track.

The noise does seem to be more prevalent on some amps, and it's possible to reduce it to a certain extent by adjusting the relative volumes of the input and output 'knobs' on the amp

[ino]

thats the problem. if there is a signal (other than -inf db), the noise is added and has the always the same volume, weather ihe input is -90db or -5db...
In real amps this also happens, but if this is a software tool, it should have this one advantage to real amps, whitch is reduction of noise caused by distortion.

Btw, using a gate before the revalver might clean the silence signal, but when you play something, you should hear the noise whitch can sometimes be pleasant, or can really piss you off...

dont forget that they added the noise on purpose! I guess that without the noise the sound would be worse... Those amps could get a cool sound for low distortion rates, but at high dist they suck.