cakewalk + waves problem

[solnigerwithin]

I'm wondering if anyone is familiar w/ this problem. Using waves gold bundle has been working fine, except whenever I use any of the Ultrapitch patches. It freezes up the application, and I have to delete the patch before the song will play. Any help would be great!

[BluesMeister]

I had a major problem with HS2002. Whenever I loaded the Edirol VSC my system would crash.

I had a feeling that my videocard was the culprit, and this was confirmed when I upgraded to a GeForce2 MX400 with 64MB of video RAM. The 16MB of my original videocard was insufficient.

Maybe you have a similar problem.

What are your system specs?

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BluesMeister

[moskus]

Sonar is not happy running pitch-shifters in real time for some reason...

[dachay2tnr]

I have trouble with Sonar and a couple of the Waves Plugins. Seems they are MAJOR resource hogs. The one I have the most problem with is RVerb (although I've never used the UltraPitch).

Have you tried raising your buffer count or increasing your latency setting? Sometimes that will help me with this problem - and sometimes it doesn't.

[James Argo]

What version of Waves do you run, dachay ?

For hard working effects, I'd rather clone the original audio track, and applied the effect to the clone, much better than put it in the FX field. Mute the original. If I don't like it, I got the back up.


Jaymz

[dachay2tnr]

Originally posted by James Argo
I'd rather clone the original audio track, and applied the effect to the clone, much better than put it in the FX field. Mute the original. If I don't like it, I got the back up.


Jaymz

Good thought, James, but you need to tweak the effect first to get the settings you want before applying them destructively - and that's tough to do when the project won't even playback.

I tend to use the RVerb on an Aux Bus with several tracks routed to it. That makes it even tougher to try and use destructively.

[moskus]

Originally posted by dachay2tnr
I tend to use the RVerb on an Aux Bus with several tracks routed to it. That makes it even tougher to try and use destructively.

Is there away to apply Aux-busses to tracks? It would be very usefull!

[dachay2tnr]

Originally posted by moskus
Is there away to apply Aux-busses to tracks? It would be very usefull!

It appears that you can do it using the Bounce to Track command. Just solo the track that you want to apply the effect to, and then Bounce to Tracks. After the new track is created, you can archive the original.

In the dialogue box there does not appear any choices about including Bus/Aux FX (just Aux Automation); however, when I tried it, the Bus effects appear to have been applied (I'm at work, so I couldn't play it back to be sure). I assume these fall under the category "Master FX"; but I would have guessed that that choice only applied to VMain effects (since Aux Automation and Master Automation are spelled out separately).

Bottom line, if you have multiple tracks routed to a Bus, this would seem to be a royal PIA. However, I guess it could be a workaround if you have no other choice. (In my case, the other choice is usually just to pick a different reverb. Cakewalk's reverb seems to use a lot less processing power than Waves - but, of course, it doesn't sound as good either. )

Why don't you try and it and see if you get the same results.

[James Argo]

Yup, I tried it
Actualy, for some effects (specialy reverb), we better put it in the Aux. Not only because it tends to reduce CPU usage, but doing this way, the original (dry) track can be balanced in better way. If you put the reverb in the track's effect field, then the original wave will be fully routed to the effect, thus sometime you loose the actual dry wave (sounds a bit mud). Putting the effect in the Aux gives you more controll ever the balance betwen dry signal & wet signal. You'll still get the punch & articulation of the dry signal, but smooth effect tail in the end of the signal (carried by the aux reverb). Off course, some certain effects work better in the track's effect field Just IMHO.


Jaymz

[solnigerwithin]

thanks for the replies. I figured the ultrapitch is just too much for the track, as most other waves plugins won't allow more than 2 patches before it won't allow anymore. I'm new to software based recording, so I don't know that much, but I figured using the aux buses may relieve the problem somewhat.

[dachay2tnr]

The Aux Bus will help, but only if you are using the same plugin on multiple tracks. IOW, it allows you to run one instance of the plugin, but use it for more than one track. If you ran the plugin directly on the track, then you would need an instance for each track.

However, there is no benefit (and possibly a detriment) to running it on a Bus if you are just using the effect on one single track.