MIDI Track Separation!!!!

[Raydio]

I have a Triton with 4 tracks of instruments on it's sequencer. I want to know how to sync my Triton to my Cubase or Cool Edit Pro in a way that when I press play on my Triton's sequencer, and press record on Cubase or Cool Edit; it records 4 separate audio tracks simultaneous into Cubase or Cool Edit's multitrack.

I just hate it when I have tracks on my Triton, and I have to record them into Cubase and Cool Edit one by one.... there has to be an easier way!! Help!! LOL

[TexRoadkill]

You need to send the patches to 4 different outputs on the triton and record them into 4 seperate inputs on your soundcard.

[Raydio]

WOW, that sounds hard; explain a little more in detail, Im lost. What is a patch? And how do I record them into 4 separate inputs of my Audiophile soundcard? Is this possible using Cool Edit, if not then how do you do this in Cubase or Nuendo?

[TexRoadkill]

IF the Triton has 4 outputs (I don't know if it does) then there must be someway to assign a patch (sound) to one of those outputs. You then connect a cable with the bass (for example) on Triton output 1 to input 1 on the audiophile, etc.

Now I am pretty sure that the Audiophile only has 2 analog inputs so you are pretty much screwed. There is no way to do this in software if you do not have enough seperate audio inputs on your soundcard. This is exactly why more expensive soundcards come with more inputs.

[Raydio]

OooooooK. Well my connections to the Triton are via Audio Out Left, Audio Out Right, MIDI IN, and MIDI Out; never heard of a soundcard having all those outputs. Besides, I figured out a better way to do it; and its totally possible. No offense because I appreciate your help to the fullest, you always help me in my audio times of need. Heres the technique I came up with just sitting up and thinking....

1) In Cubase make 4 MIDI tracks all with the same input device with 4 separate channels.

2) Since the Trition Sequencer has enabled MIDI according to which tracks you record on (example: track 4 is MIDI Channel 4, for some odd reason), I can just press ARM all 4 MIDI tracks in Cubase.

3) Press record on Cubase, then press play on my Triton sequencer... all my data came up in separate tracks.

4) Export MIDI tracks as Audio. Tada!!! If you guys have another useful method let me know. Peace!

[drstawl]

When you export tracks to audio, what synthesizer is being used? I thought you wanted Triton Sounds. Or is this Triton just a sequencer?????

[Raydio]

I want the Trition sounds on there, plus use it as the sequencer going into a software sequencer like Cool Edit or Cubase. Im using the Triton sounds entirerly, except for the drums of course, hehe!

[TexRoadkill]

Originally posted by Raydio
OooooooK. Well my connections to the Triton are via Audio Out Left, Audio Out Right, MIDI IN, and MIDI Out; never heard of a soundcard having all those outputs. Besides, I figured out a better way to do it; and its totally possible. No offense because I appreciate your help to the fullest, you always help me in my audio times of need. Heres the technique I came up with just sitting up and thinking....

1) In Cubase make 4 MIDI tracks all with the same input device with 4 separate channels.

2) Since the Trition Sequencer has enabled MIDI according to which tracks you record on (example: track 4 is MIDI Channel 4, for some odd reason), I can just press ARM all 4 MIDI tracks in Cubase.

3) Press record on Cubase, then press play on my Triton sequencer... all my data came up in separate tracks.

4) Export MIDI tracks as Audio. Tada!!! If you guys have another useful method let me know. Peace!

No offense taken because you are wrong. MIDI is not Audio.

All you did was record 4 seperate midi tracks (you can do up to 16). When you do an automatic Midi Convert to Audio it IS NOT using the sounds from your Triton. It is using the sounds from your soundcard.

The ONLY way to record multiple tracks of audio simultaneously is with a multi input sound card.

[Raydio]

Wait Tex, maybe I explained it wrong, I know MIDI isnt audio; but basically what I did was record muliple MIDI tracks into Cubase, at onece, and set the output for each track to my Trition. Then I exported the MIDI tracks to Audio files; all my sounds from my Triton (all 4 of the 16 tracks I used) are now in Wav format. No sounds from my card, no weak General MIDI sounds, but sounds from my Triton are in Wav format, Tada! LOL

[TexRoadkill]

Originally posted by Raydio
but basically what I did was record muliple MIDI tracks into Cubase, at onece, and set the output for each track to my Trition. Then I exported the MIDI tracks to Audio files; all my sounds from my Triton (all 4 of the 16 tracks I used) are now in Wav format. No sounds from my card, no weak General MIDI sounds, but sounds from my Triton are in Wav format, Tada! LOL

Huh? Dude that is impossible. There is no way that you converted a midi file into audio and got the sound from the Triton without recording the actual audio output of the triton.

Just out of curiosity. When you are sequencing with the Triton are you monitoring off the Triton audio outputs or just off of your computer?

[Raydio]

Ohhhhhhh K, let me break it down like this. I have my Triton already hooked up to my computer via MIDI, I also have the Audio Out jacks into the computer. Therefore, Im able to have the Triton's audio in my MIDI files, Tada! Sorry if I confused you. Also Im monitoring off of the Trition into my computer Tex, all Audio Out. All you had to do is refer to my first post, I stated that I always have to do AUDIO tracks one by one, not MIDI. Hope I cleared things up. Peace

[TexRoadkill]

There is something else going on because it is impossible to encode audio in a midi file. I've been using MIDI since '89 and even have MIDI certifications from a few different schools (whatever that is worth) and unless they added that capability in the last 5 minutes then there must be something else going on. Having two audio cables hooked up will not give you the ability to have 4 seperate audio tracks no matter how the midi data is recorded.

Either you are actually recording the audio as a stereo pair while you record the midi or you are inadvertantly using your soundcard synth.

I have a feeling that when you are soloing those midi tracks it is actually playing back the Triton. I bet if you turn off your Triton then try to play those soloed tracks you will get nothing.

[Bstage]

I own a Motif But I know what your getting at. I would start first at recording the Midi tracks individually into Cubase forget Cool Edit it is not a midi based program..... Once you have armed all of the tracks you need in Cubase Press record. If you have correctly armed each track 1 track will appear under each track in Midi form in Cubase.

Once the Midi has been recorded it is now time to record audio off of the Triton into the Cubase file. On the Triton there are outputs called assignable outs and stereo outs. The difference is in how sounds run through them. Usually you will need to assign individual tracks to the outputs. (The Motif is this way) Once you have designated the Triton to play the requested tracks out of the outputs you can then record two tracks at a time into Cubase. The audiophile only has two analog inputs. In Cubase arm 2 audio tracks to record. Pull the track below the midi track with the sequence info. Mute all of the other midi tracks in Cubase. When you press record the audio from the Triton will play the Midi information you recorded into Cubase. After you have all your tracks as audio and Midi in Cubase turn off the Triton and mixdown the tracks in Cubase now that you dont need the audio.

Try that...

[Raydio]

Originally posted by TexRoadkill
I bet if you turn off your Triton then try to play those soloed tracks you will get nothing.

Again, no offense but.... DUH! LOL. I am using the Triton's sounds via MIDI. My audio outs allow my computer to play whats on the Trtion, without my audio outs I would hear nothing regardless if the Triton is on or off Tex. I tell the sequencer my MIDI Input is the Trition, which allows me to play the Triton keys and everything shows up in my computer sequencer. If I press record on Cubase, and then press record on my Trition, MIDI data is somehow dumped into my computer sequencer. When I play it back using Cubase, its Trition sounds... not General MIDI soundcard junk. After this, I just export my MIDI tracks.. and export them as Stereo Interleaved (i believe) audio tracks; when I play back the audio tracks; they consist of everything that was included in the MIDI data, including the patch from the Triton. Got me? I have no other way of explaining it, Im still kind of a newbie to this whole MIDI thing, but I found out that much. Peace

[TexRoadkill]

I am not offended because you are not doing what you say you are doing. We seem to be talking about two different things and you are getting terms confused. What you just described in the last post was not what we were talking about earlier in the thread.

Rest assured there is no way in hell that you are recording multiple distinct tracks of AUDIO through your MIDI and one stereo cable because it is physically impossible.

If you had truly recorded multiple channels of audio then you could turn off the Triton and hear the soloed tracks. I give up.

[subtractor]

After this, I just export my MIDI tracks.. and export them as Stereo Interleaved (i believe) audio tracks

So then after doing that you can play the tracks with the triton off right?

If not, they are NOT audio tracks.

If so, and you recorded them all from the triton simultaneously with 2 inputs into 4 separate tracks, you have just elevated your status to "Grand Midi Wizard" and you are a bonafide audio magician!