Have a listen... if you dare...

[wx3]

O.k. this is a recording of my band The Corporate Sellout Allstars We play mostly punk rock and aren't the best musician's around but we do get enough gigs to get by .....

This song was recorded in my living room with the following equipment....

MICS:
Sm 57
Studio Projects B1
Shure Beta 52
Marshall 603 (x2)

Mackie 1202 mixer going into an audiophile 24/96 recorded on Sonar 2.0 xl

I'm still quite the newbie when it comes to this stuff so any comments/critisim on the recording aspect would be greatly appreciated... Just don't tease my guitar skills :P

The songs called White Flag and here's the link...
http://artists.mp3s.com/artists/539/..._sellout_.html
Have fun kids!

[coplinger]

The guitar almost totally disappears when you hit your distortion patch-were these recorded at the same time-if so equalize the levels between your clean & dirty patch. Even better, just record the clean & add the dirty on a separate track later. What mics did you use for what instruments? The drums sound as if they were recorded from the next room. The bass could maybe use some compression.

[wx3]

The guitar wasn't recorded at the same time. I have seperate tracks for clean and distortion. I don't know why they sound so weak. For both clean and distorted the guitar was recorded with a 57 pointed at the voice coil and the b1 about 3-4 feet away from my 4/12" crate cab.

The drums sounds soo bad because they are midi drums that trigger the DR-008 synth in Sonar. I wish I could make them louder but they already seam to be peaked out.

The bass was recorded with the Beta 52 just close miced to his crappy little combo. I was thinking of d.i. ing it but I'm not to famillar with that.

[TripleM]

I thought the song was decent.

Watch the pitch with the vocals. Quite a few spots where it's out of tune. I think a three part harmony would work well in the chorus. The clean guitar in the verses sounded pretty good. Good part too. The distorted guitar in the chorus is very thin. Needs more "beef". The bass was a bit thin as well.

Was there a guitar mistake at :23? Another little one at 3:07? Sounded like it.

Sounds like you have some good mics, but I'm not sure which one you used for the vocals... You may have been too far back from the mic too. The vox sounded a little bit distant. You may want to double track them - or just doubletrack them in the chorus.

Just thoughts. Trip...

[coplinger]

cool- since the guitars are on separate tracks, play around with the eq on the dirty one & bring the levels up on it some. Another good trick is to double the guitar track & pan the two. This can be done either by playing it again or by copying the track & time shifting it just a hair. This might work well for your dirty track. Sonar should have a compresser-try using it on the bass guitar to tighten it up some. I have no experience with the Sonar synth-when you say 'they already seem to be peaked out' what do you mean-track faders are all the way up? If so, maybe you can cut everything else down for a better mix.

[GhostOfMe]

I have a question pertaining to the last post (not to steal the thread) but I think this might help me and the original poster.

Is it just as good to pan out the two guitars (through a mixer) and record them both on the same track directly, or is it usually more functional recording them at seperate times and then pan.

I think the benefit to playing at the same time would be the chemistry of the guitars fitting together moreso than recording at seperate times, but then you have less control after words. Unless you record in stereo, then I guess you could mess with both guitars in the same track. I think I just confused myself...

Or, are then answers to all my questions, "Which sounds best to you (me)"? I'd just like to hear some experiences with panning two guitars or two tracks, maybe some do's and dont's

[TripleM]

Originally posted by GhostOfMe
I have a question pertaining to the last post (not to steal the thread) but I think this might help me and the original poster.

Is it just as good to pan out the two guitars (through a mixer) and record them both on the same track directly, or is it usually more functional recording them at seperate times and then pan.

I think the benefit to playing at the same time would be the chemistry of the guitars fitting together moreso than recording at seperate times, but then you have less control after words. Unless you record in stereo, then I guess you could mess with both guitars in the same track. I think I just confused myself...

Or, are then answers to all my questions, "Which sounds best to you (me)"? I'd just like to hear some experiences with panning two guitars or two tracks, maybe some do's and dont's

I like recording separate guitar tracks and pan them rather hard. It's more work because it's hard to get the two parts close enough. But the effect is well worth it IMO - you won't get that sound with a single track.

[coplinger]

"I think the benefit to playing at the same time would be the chemistry of the guitars fitting together moreso than recording at seperate times, but then you have less control after words. Unless you record in stereo, then I guess you could mess with both guitars in the same track. I think I just confused myself..."

And me too!
Looks like Triple M beat me to it. I agree-even if you are playing the two parts at the same time, it's better to record them to 2 tracks so you have more options later (as long as you have the tracks available)

Oops-I screwed up my quote

[GhostOfMe]

I am stuck with only one input on my computer though , so the only way I could go about it is to record in two different sessions. I'm not sure if I like that sacrafice of the guitars being played simultaneously, I'll have to play around with it I guess.

[B.SABBATH]

the guitar and drums disappear when you hit the distortion.. it turns into vocals and bass.. it should get louder.. sounds a bit boomy in the mellow sections, but the guitar sound is better in them.. good vocal sound, but some pitch issues.. the song is cool, but the mix needs serious work..

[flash2ace]

first off ill start out saying that i definately like the tune. the recording needs a little help and ill fill you in on somthing crawdad told me that im hoping helped me (just waiting for someone to post in my new post and tell me lol). ok basicly when your tracking you want to put the sounds in the track sounding as good as you can get them, this way you dont have to try and polish a dead sound,(unless you are a master and have tons of plugins to utilize). with the guitars i agree with what was said in this posting double them,( and i believe youll have beter results playing and tracking the parts twice and use a little bit different sound for the second one and then pan them l/r. i was also told by analytical man to turn my gain down 20 to 30 percent on the guitar distortion. and i have to admit it seems to sound much better. with the bass guitar i believe compression will realy help it out alot.(as was already mentioned). also when you record you wanna get the best takes you can with no mistakes, if you have to keep redoing it to get there then so be it.(im not saying i heard alot of mistakes i just wanna help out a little and pass on the great info ive gotten so the guys that gave it to me dont have to repeat themselves again with hopes that they will appreciate it and give me more critiques lol). any way the song is definately worth retracking from what i can hear of it and i would love to hear it when done thanks for sharing and i hope i helped you out and if not just give me negative comments on my posts lol. god bless tim pate.

[chrisharris]

Originally posted by B.SABBATH
the guitar and drums disappear when you hit the distortion.. it turns into vocals and bass.. it should get louder.. sounds a bit boomy in the mellow sections, but the guitar sound is better in them.. good vocal sound, but some pitch issues.. the song is cool, but the mix needs serious work..

Cool song. Please read the above quote for mix advice.


-The Lazy One

[wx3]

Thanks for all the tips... That was definately not the finished product and I want to thank all of you for your tips...

Looks like I have alot of work (fun) ahead of myself...

[W.I.S.C.]

Well...at least you got the balls to post it.What the heck did you listen to the mix thru?Sticking a mic in your sisters ass and listening thru her ear is not a great way to mix a song.Arrangement not bad.Verse-chorus-verse says what?Keep at it you'll at least be popular in your hometown with some luck and a good stage presence.


BTW...I dare you all to prove me wrong...Rock On!!!