yet another SB mono issue

trybalfish · #1 02-12-2003

ok
ive read everyones posts and replys about running a soundblaster card and sonar only recognizing it as a mono card.

I am running win2000pro and sonarxl with all the updates

i just bought a sb128 and now I get the mono soundcard problem

Ive tried reinstalling the windwos drivers like previous posts say, but I never get the option to do so, when i follow all the directions. (only my SB, comes up as a device to choose from)

Ive also downloaded the kx drivers, but that didnt seem to work either

please help..someone!!!! anyone!!!!

trybalfish

moskus · #2 02-13-2003

Use MME-drivers (Options -> Audio -> Advanced)

trybalfish · #3 02-13-2003

i did try mme drivers, and that did put an end to my stereo/mono issue.....but isnt wdm better? seems, when i switched to mme i lost some plug in fx

moskus · #4 02-13-2003

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Originally posted by trybalfish
but isnt wdm better? seems, when i switched to mme i lost some plug in fx

Well, yeah! It's supposed to be better. But look at it this way: One type of drivers work, the other type don't. Which one do you choose?

And Plugins shouldn't go away just because you switched to MME. That was strange... Reinstall Sonar, and see if that helps.

It's a known fact that Sonar 2 is rather picky about the WDM-drivers. If you are more or less serious about recording (and I bet you are, you've just bought Sonar), you should invest in a better soundcard, such as the Audiophile 2496...

trybalfish · #5 02-13-2003

yeh ive used sonar for years..just upgraded my lousy motherboard sound to the SB..true i only paid 20 bucks for the sound blaster...and i have seen the audiophile one you are talking about..maybe its time to look into that one more

sigh..such a pain..computers that is

but thanx for your help

moskus · #6 02-13-2003

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Originally posted by trybalfish
sigh..such a pain..computers that is

I feel your pain, brother...

mbuster · #7 02-13-2003

I battled my stupid soundblaster card for a while and finally gave up and went eith the Audiophile 2496. That was about two weeks ago and I absolutely love it. Works great, no problems, awesome! Plus, I like it.

James Argo · #8 02-13-2003

...Well, I don't use Win2000 but XP. It's easy to roll back the driver in Control Panel. I dunno if Win2000 has this "Roll Back" feature. But I know, SB cards will be considered Mono in Cakewalk if you use Creative's driver. No matter how you upgrade to newer Creative driver version. My hint will be check your control panel, and see the list of files used by Win200 related to your SB. Write 'em down. Uninstall the card. Go Windows Explorer, and delete/move all those files (most resided in System folder, so be very carefull!!!). Just make sure you got the back up. Now, shut down your PC, and turn it on again. Windows will re-detect the card, and try to reinstall the driver. You need to insert your Windows installation CD again, but that's okay. Follow all the step. If you do it right, then you just installed the Microsoft driver, and SONAR will detect it as stereo card. I know it should, cause my little brother use this card (PCI 128). And it works just fine using Microsoft driver...

Jaymz

mbuster · #9 02-13-2003

That explains why I could never find that damn microsoft driver for my sblive. Either way, I'm glad I got the 2496. Sound quality rocks. Low latencey with WDM.

trybalfish · #10 02-13-2003

after all is said and done..i'll be bald pulling out hair trying to get win2000 to reinstall drivers for the sb card..i just cant get it to work.
so im ussing mme drivers...all seems to be fine...my latensy though is 39.9ms im sure i can get this better....is it possible?

thanx again for all your help fellow sonar users
trybalfish

moskus · #11 02-13-2003

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Originally posted by trybalfish
my latensy though is 39.9ms im sure i can get this better....is it possible?

Yes it is!

... but not with MME-drivers.

When re-installing drivers for your SB, don't let Windows look for a driver. It'll never find the Microsoft driver, you need to specify it yourself.

James Argo · #12 02-14-2003

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Originally posted by trybalfish
my latensy though is 39.9ms im sure i can get this better....is it possible?

Yesss !!! I believe because I did get 6.7 ms latency with SB Live! on Win XP. Try using KX Project driver. It alows your SB to be ASIO compatible. It's not easy to configure, but hey... there's a fair price for each benefit, right ?

Go KX Driver site to download the driver for FREE !!!

Jaymz

moskus · #13 02-14-2003

Creatives Drivers are ASIO-compatible, maybe you'll get under 10 ms latency with them.

James, are Microsofts Live!-drivers ASIO-compatible?

James Argo · #14 02-14-2003

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Originally posted by moskus
Creatives Drivers are ASIO-compatible, maybe you'll get under 10 ms latency with them.

...Well, that's not true. Creative has NEVER released ASIO driver for SB cards.

And from experience, it even made SB cards detected as Mono soundcard in SONAR.

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James, are Microsofts Live!-drivers ASIO-compatible?

...No, it's not. The only driver alows you to turn SB cards ASIO compatible is KX Project driver. It's a long path to be perfect, but somehow it works alot better than both Microsoft driver & Creative driver (In musician term). I'm sure someday they'll be there to tweak the most from these cards

Jaymz

moskus · #15 02-14-2003

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Originally posted by James Argo
...Well, that's not true. Creative has NEVER released ASIO driver for SB cards. And from experience, it even made SB cards detected as Mono soundcard in SONAR.

Really? On the box for my SB Audigy it says "Works with the following standards: ASIO-drivers". Read it here too...

trybalfish · #16 02-14-2003

this whole thing has been such a pain in the ass

i tried to install kx drivers, and not a damn thing happend. Even after uninstalling my sb card, and even the motherboard sound "card" i couldnt re-install the drivers with Kx, or with the win2000 cd..nothing worked right. I could only get the stupid sb128 to work with the sb drivers. Im not grasping this whole thing I think. (and i DID build my computer, so i do have some idea of what i am doing..argh!!!)

if somone can actually guide me thru this process, id be much apreciative

so im stuck with mme drivers i guess...does e eryone agree that the audigy platinum is pretty kick ass? i see it for around $180. has the whole front panel thing going on too...looks pretty sweet, but isnt it ALSO from the SB company?

sigh!

trybalfish

ps anyone also notice u cant run protools on win2000

moskus · #17 02-14-2003

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Originally posted by trybalfish
ps anyone also notice u cant run protools on win2000

I thought that was just ProTools FREE...

James Argo · #18 02-14-2003

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Originally posted by moskus
I thought that was just ProTools FREE...

Yup... ProTools FREE works only on Win98/ME. It won't even be installed on NT based Windows (NT, 2000, XP).

James Argo · #19 02-14-2003

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Originally posted by trybalfish
so im stuck with mme drivers i guess...does e eryone agree that the audigy platinum is pretty kick ass? i see it for around $180. has the whole front panel thing going on too...looks pretty sweet, but isnt it ALSO from the SB company?

...Yes, it kicks @ss, but with $180, I'll go E-bay for better than that card. Anything from Creative ment to be Gamers card. So, no matter how hard it kick your @ss, it'll kick your head harder, and leave the pain there. I suggest you get some more "serious" card if you realy want to be more serious on your audio work. Audiophile 2496 ain't doin' that expensive, but still rocks !!!

Jaymz

Torpid-x · #20 02-14-2003

If your card is SBLive - the original (not 5.1 etc.), try to dig up the liveware 3.0 drivers. I have no problems with sterio in Sonar with them. I couldn't get the KX drivers to work under win 2K either, and the latest drivers looked like they suck. I don't even use the update to the liveware 3.0, since I have no problems with the original.

If you can't find them, I'll email them to you.

James Argo · #21 02-14-2003

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Originally posted by Torpid-x
If your card is SBLive...

...Well, I believe trybalfish has SB PCI 128. It's different with SB Live! series

guitar ed · #22 02-14-2003

I don't understand what you guys are talking about. I have a Soundblaster Live Value. I have WinXP Pro, and Sonar 2.0 XL. I use the WDM drivers, and never have I had an issue with the SB only being recognized as a mono card. Am I missing the big picture? What do you mean? You can't record a stereo track? Is this whole thing related to the WDM drivers? I think trybalfish might have other problems, and James Argo, Soundblaster is NOT considered a mono card when using Creative's drivers. I don't have this problem. Again, if I'm missing the bigger picture, I apologize, but I don't get it.

Ed

guitar ed · #23 02-14-2003

Well, here's one more thing. I installed Cubase SX just to mess around with it, and when I first booted it up, it took me thru the audio tests, and said that my ASIO stuff was all OK. So, James Argo, Soundblaster DOES work with ASIO-based programs. You need to check your facts before you go misleading these guys in here. You are a fountain of misinformation.

Ed again

moskus · #24 02-14-2003

Hey Ed, easy on James. You know, he's a nice fellow (once you get to know him

)...

Yeah, that's what I thought. But still, ASIO-drivers are locked to 48kHz samplingrate. Damn Creative...

guitar ed · #25 02-14-2003

I'm sorry, man, but the guy posts and posts and posts, and sometimes it's just to tell someone that he doesn't know the answer to their problem. If you don't know, don't post. Lots of incorrect information, that may lead a newbie down the entirely wrong road. I take it with a grain of salt, but can't sit back quietly when he may be the cause of a guy spending a shitload of money on a new soundcard when he doesn't need to. I'll try to refrain, but it ain't easy sometimes, ya know?
Ed

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