a question about Busses

[LemonTree]

OK, I have an Allen & Heath GS1 16 channel 8 bus mixer with the GS1 Compact Studio expander (another 8 balanced channels) This is what I want to know....

I have the first 8 channels tape send and returns linked to my delta 1010. If I bought a second delta 1010 and linked the next 8 channels send and returns to that would I effectively have a 16 bus system?

Or would channels 1 & 9 just record on top of each other if they were both sent from bus 1 from the desk?

[Blue Bear Sound]

"8-buss" means you have 8-channels to which you can sum any of your mixer inputs.

Usually, a channel strip will have a buss selector that allows you to choose which buss you want the channel to appear on...

The channels themselves are not "busses" because they are independent from one another until they are combined via a buss routing....

[Son of Mixerman]

Originally posted by LemonTree

I have the first 8 channels tape send and returns linked to my delta 1010. If I bought a second delta 1010 and linked the next 8 channels send and returns to that would I effectively have a 16 bus system?

Only if the Expander had another 8 busses on it, which is unlikely. So what you'll have is a 24 channel 8 buss mixer. You should be able to use the buss outs to the recorder and use the track assign method for getting stuff to tape or disk where ever. I only use all 8 busses when doing drums with alot of mics. I used to refer to the 8 buss section as my submix to tape section if that help your understanding.

SoMm

[LemonTree]

So if I have say 6 mics on the kit, then guitar, bass & vocals that's me using 9 tracks. Do I need to put 2 channels on the same bus to record all 9 tracks? And if I do that then I have no way of seperating the mix of the two combined tracks?

I'll admit, I've jumped in at the deep end here but it's always been something I've wanted to learn and IMO you can't learn any better than with hands on experience (and the help of a good BB)

[TexRoadkill]

I think you just complicated the question by using the term buss.

If your mixer has 16 inserts or direct outs and you have 2 Deltas with 16 channels of I/O you WILL be able send 16 independant tracks to and from the computer.

[frist44]

what's the advantage of routing the inputs to the "buss" and then to the soundcard, rather than going to the soundcard straight from each channel?

[MISTERQCUE]

Originally posted by frist44
what's the advantage of routing the inputs to the "buss" and then to the soundcard, rather than going to the soundcard straight from each channel?

Think of the busses as actually what it says!
It's a BUS designed to carry 1 or more persons (tracks)
to another destination freeing up more tracks to be recorded on!

[LemonTree]

each channel strip has Group out, tape return, XLR in, Line in, and insert.
So I can use the insert connections on the second group of 8 channels to send straight to the 8 inputs on the 2nd delta card?

I'm off to read about inserts. Sorry if I wasted anyones time.

[TexRoadkill]

Originally posted by LemonTree
each channel strip has Group out, tape return, XLR in, Line in, and insert.
So I can use the insert connections on the second group of 8 channels to send straight to the 8 inputs on the 2nd delta card?

I'm off to read about inserts. Sorry if I wasted anyones time.

You got it.

Wasting time? Isn't that why we are here

[frist44]

I realize you can have more than one thing on a track, but if you want a couple things on a track, just assign a couple inputs on the delta to one track. I guess where it gets cramped is if you have more than 8 ins going on in the tracking room. But in his situation, he might get another delta being left with 16 ins. What's the point of using the buss anymore, why not just hook the first 16 channels tape out of the mixer to the 16 ins on the soundcard.

I don't the reason you would go all the way through the buss if you weren't going to run out of inputs on the mixer.

Brandon

[volltreffer]

Another reason is to be able to do things that DAWs use the fader grouping for: if you have signals routed to a bus you can change the volume of all of them together. Or you can compress all background voices with one compressor. Or you can create a stereo sum as a sidechain to a compressor if you wanna do a stereo compression with two mono compressors...

Most DAWs have some 'internal' busses that you don't think about too much...

aXel

[LemonTree]

Originally posted by frist44
What's the point of using the buss anymore, why not just hook the first 16 channels tape out of the mixer to the 16 ins on the soundcard.


Brandon

There are no tape outs on the GS1, only group outs and tape returns back to the desk so I have to go out through the group outs. That limits me to recording 8 outs at a time as it's an 8 bus desk.

[volltreffer]

You might try to use your channel inserts for the other 8 outs... This is the 'cheap' way to get additional outs from your board...

aXel