How do studios get that snare sound?

[ZEKE SAYER]

It sounds like the snare from bands like creed. It's a real snapy snare, but without the metallic ringing. I've tryed those remOs, but they mute the snare too much. The snare sound is also high pitched.

thanks

zeke

[Track Rat]

It's more than likely samples.

[theletterq]

Or...

It's a great drum, tuned by a great tech, in a great room, with great mics, going into a great board. Then merely pile on a ton of great compression and there you go.

(Don't forget to play rimshots to get that "smack" sound.)

[Nik D]

Use a moongel pad to get rid of just the right amount of ring. Also the drum itself helps alot too, along with the right head. I used to use a ring on my snare, but then I put a moongel pad on it and the sound improved alot instantly.

[ZEKE SAYER]

What's a moongel pad?

[fenderlikingood]

Originally posted by ZEKE SAYER
What's a moongel pad?

http://www.music123.com/Item/?itemno=31570

[ZEKE SAYER]

they seam nice but, the only thing that I would'nt like about them is that there permanent. ( sometimes i need the snare ring.) So it needs to be and on/off kid'a thing.

[Nik D]

They're not permanant at all! You can take them off easily, they're like window cling-ons I suppose you could say.

[ZEKE SAYER]

Oh!............. ok! Cool!

[maskedman72]

i second the letterq's reply. all the best mics and pres in the world wont make a bad drum sound good. it all starts with the drum and the tuning and the players style.

[Analytical Man]

Almost Every great pop rock drum sound nowadaysis resulting fromtriggers. Get some and you have all the best sounds you couldwant.

[VOXVENDOR]

Creed, Nickelback, Default and all those other bands in the genre Zeke is talking about are most likely NOT using triggers....

I have all those albums, and they are all live drums.


Knowing how to tune the drums is king.... Then the brand of drum your using comes in next..... Then the room.. and the mic come in....


If your using a poorly tuned, shit quality snare in a bedroom, and trying to get Creeds sound, you most likely won't achieve it.

But.. Don't fret.... You can get a decent sound... Work on the tuning.. Thats a start.

Nevermind these stupid tuning bibles and similar websites.. Take the snare to a music store and have a knowledgable drum guy (If you can find one), show you how to tune.

Good Luck Zeke.

Joe

[RideTheCrash]

I've been looking for some RemOs because I have a Vater stick thing taped my snare and it looks bad and is annoying. I was offered Moon Gel pads while up north camping last summer while I was in town. I'm thinking of looking for them again now, but do they muck up your skin? I've had tape and crap attached to my snare head and it looks like crap now.

[Analytical Man]

I know for a fact that Nicklebackuses triggerson the bass drum...suckon this!

[Uladine]

Moongels are from heaven. They have pretty much no downsides, although they wont stick to a bottom head because gravity will pull them off and if you dropped on in the dirt or got drumstick flakes on it they would be stuck on there. But behold, they clean easily with mild soap and you just shake em a bit to dry them (dont use a towel). They leave no residue whatsoever on anything. You can cut them in half if you need to. Best of all, with enough experimentation with placement, you can get rid of exactly what you don't want, while keeping the tones you do want. Remember those sticky hands that you buy in supermarkets buy the gumball machines? Moongels feel almost exactly like those but they aren't all slimey.

[fenderlikingood]

I have had them leave a stain on my coated head's, but not anything messy , but a stain none the less. but i could really care less about a small stain on a drum head, as long as it doesn't mess with the sound, i'm OK!! I love moon gel, i have only recently discovered it( through another member's reccomendation.( can't remember who) very usefull stuff!!!!


and yes, proper tuning is the key!! ( which i have yet to master)

[Stanze]

My drummer wanted to use his Roland V drums on my band's latest album, I shot that idea down and insisted we use his vintage Rogers kit. I can't freakin' stand samples for Rock and can't stand most of the crap on the radio nowadays.

[Analytical Man]

IF I WERE TO RECORD SOMETHING WITH VERY NATURAL SOUNDING TRIGGERS I BET YOU COULDN'T TELL A DIFFERENCE. MOST PEOPLE I KNOW WHO ARE VERY INTO MUSIC AND FAIRLY, COMPETANT IN RECORDING CAN'T TELL THE FUCKING DIFFERENCE. IT'S ALL IN THE SAMPLES YOU CHOOSE TO TRIGGER FROM, AND THE SENSITIVITY OF THE TRIGGERS, AND MIXING IN THE RIGHT AMOUNT OF REAL DRUMS TO CATCH THE NUANCES OF THE PLAYER. IF YOU NOW HOW TO USE THEM THEY CAN BE GREAT SOUNDING. ALWAYS USE REAL CYMBALS, AND THEN MIX IN THE REAL DRUMS...FUCK MOST DRUMS THAT I HEAR ON THIS SIGHT COULD BENEFIT TOTALLY FROM TRIGGERS.

[fenix]

FUCKING OKAY.

[erichenryus]

i used playdough to dampen a snare drum recently. it doesn't stick to the head real well so i had to keep pressing it down when it started to flap up with every hit but in the end it did the trick.

[VOXVENDOR]

Whats with all the shouting?

[Kramer]

Originally posted by erichenryus
i used playdough to dampen a snare drum recently.

and yet another positive side effect of having kids.

[LongWaveStudio]

yeah, nickelback use triggered kick drums. i do aswell sometimes, if the player isn't being consitent or if im after a different sound.

a lot of the production i hear these days are using live kits, but are triggering just the snare, or kick. if the whole kit was triggered, it'd sound like a set of roland vdrums!...not very nice!

sometimes, mixing a sample in with the real snare or something can work. after listening to avril laveignes album, iheard this done a lot, a kinda 8bit snare 'noise' sample mixed with the original gave it this totally new snare sound.

experiement...but play with tuning and use different drums/mics first!

[int]

Originally posted by fenix
FUCKING OKAY.

Best response I've ever seen.

Anyways, in order of importance, imo:

1.) the Player
2.) The drum
3.) Tuning
4.) Heads

I bought a kit about six months ago, and by far, the smartest thing I've done is to find the head that worked best for my drum and tuned it to my liking. Evans heads didn't work, but this cheap Remo that nobody recommended tunes up nicely (on my Tama Rosewood piccolo snare) without too much ring. It's great for the loud stuff I do.

But, our old drummer used my snare (until he got his Pork Pie) with Evans heads with great success. He played different than I do though.

I've have the RemOs ,but the last song Irecorded has a great sounding snare attack, but the lack of ring (due to the Os) ruins it for me. But the drummer liked it at the time, so what can you do?

I'm going to try the playdough/silly putty route next time. Good idea - thanks.

[Booda]

Moongel Users... What differences is there w/ using the moongel pads over Duck Tape?

The Weight I guess... I have 4 pieces of Dtape 1 1/2" x 2" on the top, bottom, and 2 sides (4 corners) on my snare. & 2 pieces on my floor tom. Right now I'm getting just enough ring.

The only thing I can see w/ the Moongel is it being easier too move around & find the spot. & if your working w/ different drummers your not sticking tape all over their heads.... but if it's just your own kit whats the advantage?

Thanks,
B.