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#1
10-07-2002
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cubasis
Does anyone have a pdf file of the manual for cubasis vst or go?
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#2
10-07-2002
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What a coincidence!! There was another Travis16vp that asked this same question just a couple of days ago on this same thread!!
 You'll find a few of the answers there. Alternately, try here: http://homerecording.com/bbs/showthr...threadid=64427 Chris
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#3
10-07-2002
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gee chris...whenever I have a look at a post that's asking for manuals, you always tell 'em "where to go".....I reckon you wait around for these blokes and "answer their questions" with a lot of passion....how cruel
 
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#4
10-07-2002
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Ahh, well.... we all need SOME purpose in life, don't we?
Is it just me, or is there just been a fairly recent rash of that sort of madness, though? .... or maybe it's because I can't afford my upgrade to SX - the hardware OR the software  Chris
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#5
10-07-2002
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Just because I was feeling friendly I went to Steinbergs site to look for the manual, because I know they have them for Cubase and Nuendo.
The bad news is that they don't supply the manual online for Cubasis. I realized that this is probably due to there being no dongle as a protection device (I don't know this for a fact, does Cubasis use a dongle?) and therefore there are loads of illegal copies out there. It would appear you are out of luck and need to find a friend who has an illegal ameri...errrr...I mean a legitimate american version for you to borro....errrr buy.
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#7
10-08-2002
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Yeah, I can verify that, I rang up Steinberg Australia yesterday to see if I could but a cd manual and was told there are none, and theres fuck all support from Steinberg either. They told me to go to college and do a computer course, great idea except that I live in the bloody desert in a mining town.
Bloody hopeless.
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#8
10-08-2002
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That should have read "buy a cd manual"
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#9
10-08-2002
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I was really just wondering what this websites concensus on cracked software is. I know a guy who is amazing at cubase, but has never bought a copy in his life. He also 'owns' Nuendo. It does mildly annoy me that he got for free something I paid £500 for, but he's helped me a lot and has a family to feed, so can't really afford a licensed copy. What I mean is, if he didn't have a cracked copy, he'd have no copy at all and wouldn't be able to afford to do what he loves. So is it right for him to do this as it doesn't affect Steinbergs profits one little bit? There just seems to be some conflicting views on this matter.
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#10
10-08-2002
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I have a family to feed too. I don't go on Carribean cruises. I can't afford them.
I do, however, have a licenced copy of Cubase VST 5.1. I can't afford SX, so I don't have it. It's really that simple. Chris
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#11
10-08-2002
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Neil writes: What I mean is, if he didn't have a cracked copy, he'd have no copy at all and wouldn't be able to afford to do what he loves. So is it right for him to do this as it doesn't affect Steinbergs profits one little bit?
No it is not right Neil, and believe it or not it does affect Steinbergs profits....quite a bit in the big picture. It makes me sad that this is the moral state that the world is in, where people can't even identify right from wrong anymore. Some have probably heard me spout this before: Neil, if you really believe that illegal copies of Cubase don't affect Steinbergs profits ONE BIT , you would also have to say that illegal copies of music CD's don't affect record companies one bit. It is the exact same thing. Do you really think that statement is true? Why don't you call up the record companies and find out. Not only are they losing billions of dollars a year from theft (yes, your friend is a thief), but the distributors are losing billions (because they profit even more than the record companies off the sales of CD's) and more importantly the artists suffer. Not only that, law abiding citizens with a moral backbone like myself pay more to make up for that theft. It's the same thing with Cubase. Steiny loses, the distributor loses, the programmers lose (if they have a point system of pay for total sales goals worked out in addition to their regular pay), and people like Chris and I lose because we pay more because of your friend and others like him. Furthermore, since your friend has a working copy of Cubase, he is not going to purchase the software and support the company who has given him the tools to work on "what he loves so much". What about the programmers for Steiny who are "doing what they love"? Don't they deserve to get paid? If he truely loved making music so much, like I do and I assume Chris and the others here who have legal copies, he would do as we did and scrimp and save (and put on credit ) so that he would not be a thief, and buy the program when he could afford it, or start with Cubasis and upgrade as he could afford to do so.Think I'm an A-hole yet? Let me continue....I think that the reason that people don't feel bad about stealing music and software is that there virtually no chance of being caught and prosecuted. If there was they wouldn't do it. Let's say your friend plays guitar like Joe Satriani but he can't afford the $1200 American made Fender...all he can afford is the $150 on sale Mexi model. Do you think he would even consider for one second walking into his local music store, and walking out with that $1200 guitar without paying for it? What if he explained to the owner that he was doing it because "it was his true love in life and he has a family and so he deserves the guitar", how far do you think that would get him? He wouldn't do it because he would get caught. He feels comfortable stealing Cubase because he is a ball-less coward who hides behind anonymity and feels that he is owed something for free because he is so special and can't be bothered to do the right thing and be a good person. I will make sure I say a prayer tonight that his cracked copy crashes and he loses everything. We all pay more because of people like him. Well...I hope I was clear enough about where I stand
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#12
10-08-2002
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Holy crap.... Bass Master K... tell us how you really feel!!
hehehe... we need an icon for "standing up and cheering!!" Chris
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#13
10-08-2002
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Not everyone who doesn't have a manual is a "warez" head
 For instance, I have just moved across the planet, and my Cubasis manual (with the CD ROM !!) is now sitting in long term storage for the next 3 years. No fault of my own, just a shitty pack up job by the moving company. (My video camera, patch bay, porta05, synth, and some other CD's and cables are also there ). I'd better hope my PC doesn't fail, or else I'm screwed. Backups, backups, backups... or else out I go to buy a copy of SX (but I do not want 2000 or XP on my home system, and SX will not run under 98SE...)As Clive stated : Steinburg does not have a manual for purchase, does not have one online, and does not give one rat's ass about legitimate users of Cubasis. Their help topics from inside the software suck. So, if I need help, I want to be able to rely on all your expertise (even though most of you are Cubase users, a lot of functionality may be similar). I asked a question, not long ago when I bought a VERY expensive VST plug in that did not seem to work as intended. No replies. Within a week, I had my answer (from a new thread), but if I had the manual, it would have been apparent that what I expected was not the case (real time effects processing). Oh, well, guess I'll just have to watch my ass in here for those "have a look at page 533, paragraph 2 of the manual" answers. And I am in the "If you want it, PAY for it" camp as well. I could have bought a second car with all the money I've spent on software over the years.
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#14
10-08-2002
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teknomike, I am not saying everyone who does not have a manual at their disposal has a stolen copy.
I was simply stating my opinion about a previous post that stated that a stolen copy of Cubase was not a big deal because it didn't hurt Steinberg and fufilled the dreams of someone who didn't care enough about his music to do the right thing and pay the company who supplied him with the means to his ends. I totally think this is wrong and wanted to make myself clear. As far as your case goes, I think I can lend some help. I do know that if you have a registered copy of Cubasis and you call customer service and explain your situation and give them your serial number, they can direct you to a copy of the PDF file for Cubasis. This may help while you wait for your possesions to ship.
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10-08-2002
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To further clarify:
If there are 20,000 people who feel the same way as this friend, and they are using cracked copies of Cubase (a conservative estimate) and don't pay the $500 and never do because they have a copy that works, Steinberg loses out on 10 million dollars revenue. Try to tell me that doesn't hurt anyone.
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#16
10-09-2002
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- my remarks weren't intended as a specific response to yours. I do agree with you - I buy my software too.I am going to attempt to contact Steinburg support, but as Clive experienced (and I have during a previous contact), they really are minimally interested in supporting Cubasis. C'est la vie, mike
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#17
10-09-2002
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(Although I'm not even old enough to drive yet.........) But seriously, I can see where your coming from. I used Cubasis for 18 months before I saved enough money to buy Cubase. I did have a cracked copy of Cubase 4 given to me, but it kept crashing and I found Cubasis easier to use anyway. The short story is, I did have a cracked copy of Cubase 4, but it was crap. Now I bought a licensed copy of Cubase 5 (for rather more than you guys in the states I'd might like to add) I'm using the most powerful programme for what I want to do, that my system can handle (Win 98). So the way I feel about the guy with the cracked software....... I'm still not sure. I guess he is a thief, but so was Robin Hood..... And Ned Kelly..... Yet they are praised as national heroes and are used as icons for 'robbing the rich to help the poor'. It's getting far too commplicated now so I'll jujst leave it at that I think.
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#18
10-10-2002
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You guys should see the malls here in the philippines. every mall has an illegal CD section. even the cops go there!
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#19
10-10-2002
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Oh, that makes it okay, then.
Chris
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10-10-2002
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I have never heard of Ned Kelly, but I am familiar with Robin Hood. If I'm not mistaken, he was considered a hero to the people because he was simply returning money taken from innocent people by a tyrannical ruler who was taking more than his fair share in the form of taxes.
Last time I checked, Steinberg was not a tyrannical ruler. At least as far as I can remember, they have never come to my house, kicked in my door and helped themselves to my money and/or possessions. They are a software company that provides a program, and a great one at that. They offer me the option to buy, or not to buy their product. I buy it and use it, knowing that I am helping Steinberg to continue to create more powerful and more optioned music making software. If we were all like this "friend" Steinberg would cease to exist. Then where would we be? Would we all move on to then bankrupt Sonar, Logic, and the rest of the music production software companies? That is what would happen if we all turned to stolen software. There is no Robin Hood parallell here. Anyone who makes their living in music (or any field where you are selling a product that can be copied, like software) knows where I am coming from. Hey, I have music that I offer up for free on my band's website. But I also have a full length rock album, and an album of piano compositions that I don't offer up for free (much like steiny offers free demo versions, and then full programs that are supposed to be paid for). How is someone who steals my music Robin Hood? They are stealing from the POOR (that's me-for those who care to know) and giving to themselves (the selfish thief- for those who care to know). Hmmmm...steal from the poor, give to myself. Definately NOT Robin Hood. This "friend" sounds more like the tyrannical ruler taking what he doesn't deserve, than Robin Hood. Maybe I should don my best Robin Hood costume and go break into his house and steal stuff.
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#21
10-11-2002
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You seem to care about cracked software a lot Bass master K, which I have no problem with. I am also beginning to see where your coming from. My original conceptions of pirate software came mainly from the fact I realise how lucky I am to have what I've got and be able to attain it legally. I saw what talent this guy (the same guy with the kids) had, and saw it as an injustice that poverty should get in the way of using his talent. I guess it's kinda political which isn't really a subject for this forum. But I am beginning to understand where your coming from now. If someone can afford to buy it but don't because they want to save money, then yeah, that is theft. Cubase cost me a fortune, but the difference it made from Cubasis was worth the money. I can see why people would want it without paying for it, but when it's not within there means to pay for it, line betweeen right and wrong begin to blur, although I would side with you now, but hesitantly. By the way, Ned Kelly was an Australian version of Robin Hood, but circa 1900. He was famous for his homemade armour. Anyway.........
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10-11-2002
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Let us discuss your poverty stricken friend. Can he really not afford it, or does he just choose not to make a budget and sacrifice to do the right thing? What does he run Cubase on? I would guess a computer...how did he get that computer? If it's a computer capable of running Cubase it is not a computer he got for free (unless he stole this too). Does your friend have a nice TV and stereo? Maybe even cable? How about a hookup to the internet? What kind of car does he drive? Are you telling me he couldn't have saved $100 to get into Cubasis and worked his way up from there, getting upgrade prices? Or is it that he didn't want to make the sacrifice when it's so easy to steal? If the lines blur based on money and someone's desire for something let's look at poor me. I REALLY want a Corvette. I would treat it so good, and I love driving. I'm a very good driver with a great track record...I would be the model citizen for showing the proper way to drive a Corvette. One problem....I drive a pick-up. I can't afford a Corvette, not even with my excellent credit. Should I be able to just go grab one and take it since my impoverished living won't let me afford one? It's just stealing from a big company after all, so there really isn't a victem right? Of course there is a victem, just like there is in stealing sofware from Steinberg, it's just that stealing software there is less of a chance that I am going to meet my victem face to face. I would ask you, if your friend had to stand in front of the board of directors for Steinberg and try to steal their software would he try it? How about if he just had to explain to them why he "needs" to steal it...do you think he would feel comfortable? Of course not....cowards don't, they love to slink in the shadows on anonymity. I am not sure when we moved from the noble moral value of "working for what I want and taking pride in providing for myself" to "taking what's not mine as long as I don't get caught, because I deserve it". I don't have the worlds best TV...it has a nasty hum in the background. My stereo is not bad, but not the best. I don't have cable. I drive my faithful pickup. The place I rent is no palace by any means. When I see something I really need but can't afford I have to tighten the budget and get out to get more gigs and push CD sales. It's not much, but it's an honest living. Someday I hope I have a lot more, but that day will come when I earn it, not when I steal it. When I was born 30 years ago, I think 85% of people felt the way I do. Now I feel like 85% of people are more like this friend. Do you feel like people are better people now than thirty years ago? Do you think the world is headed in a better direction? I see a big connection, even to something as small as stealing software. It's not WHAT your stealing that counts. It's that your STEALING that counts. You seem like a cool guy Neil, I'm not coming down on you. This is just one of those areas in life that I feel really strongly about (in case you couldn't tell ) and sometimes I think people just go along with the masses because they don't stop to think about their actions and the moral repercussions of a society that is more and more becoming selfish and not thinking about what is right. A society that is more and more concerned about getting what they can get, regardless of whether or not it is in the right way, or if someone else gets hurt in the process. I hope for my son's sake, and your friend's families sake that people take notice and change to turn things around and make the world a better place. *snif snif* Think I'll go turn on Lennon's "Imagine" Peace.
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#23
10-11-2002
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Hey! How about that friggin' manual already, duuuudz?
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#24
10-11-2002
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LOL, are you insinuating we got a bit off topic here jim??
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#25
10-12-2002
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