musique concrete

[major240]

Does this mean anything to you?
Do you practice this technique ( in the digital world....) and if so, what do you use (hardware/software) to produce it?

[ozraves]

Originally posted by major240
Does this mean anything to you?
Do you practice this technique ( in the digital world....) and if so, what do you use (hardware/software) to produce it?

yes, i do. i highly recommend acid pro 4.0, which is a loop production program that only works on wintel machines. i suggest visiting the sonic foundry website and downloading the demo. www.sonicfoundry.com

hardware: a pc i designed and built myself, m-audio audiophile card, mics, preamps, guitars, amps, keyboards.

i am going to write a review of acid pro 4.0 for my new gear review site: www.piemusic.com/mp/main.html it should be up in about a month. i know that may be too long for your tastes but i like to do things right.

most people use acid for very limited uses such as making drum beats or through composing based upon other persons loops. the true power comes in creating your own loops.

[Phyl]

excerpted from http://www.musespace.com/writings/essays/musique.html

..."Musique concrete can be created two different ways, both with widely varying techniques of creation. Recorded musique concrete uses tape, phonographs, and various other pieces of equipment available in the studio. It is created by recording various sounds on tape and modifying them in some way. This can be achieved by playing the tape back at various speeds, making a tape loop of the sound, playing the tape backwards, stretching the tape, or simply splicing short segments of tape together. What results is a alteration of the sound in new and unique way. Sounds can then be pasted together and overlayed to create a 'song'. Live musique concrete cannot use all the techniques of it recorded form. It usually consists of enormous amounts of microphones placed in various places around the performing hall and half a dozen variable speed phonographs all feeding into a series of mixers and filters, which in turn feed the various amplifiers driving a multitude of speakers scattered throughout the hall. In either form, musique concrete creates a unique form of music that takes the ear strangely"...

Is this what you are talking about?

[major240]

Yes...I am gettiing more into the concept...kind of a blend of ambient with various sounds mixed in. For example, a piece I am currently working on involves recordings of walking, elevator pings and bus sounds, along with spoken word (slowed down), piano and digital and analog (old Arp Axxe) synth.

oz...actually, I am currently upgrading my system. I'll check out what you have mentioned. I hear Native Instument sAbsynth might be a good addition for creating sounds. Also a program called Metasynth that is based on graphics to produce sound.
As for my wave editing software...well, there a certainly a lot. Still hunting.

[ozraves]

Originally posted by major240
Yes...I am gettiing more into the concept...kind of a blend of ambient with various sounds mixed in. For example, a piece I am currently working on involves recordings of walking, elevator pings and bus sounds, along with spoken word (slowed down), piano and digital and analog (old Arp Axxe) synth.

oz...actually, I am currently upgrading my system. I'll check out what you have mentioned. I hear Native Instument sAbsynth might be a good addition for creating sounds. Also a program called Metasynth that is based on graphics to produce sound.
As for my wave editing software...well, there a certainly a lot. Still hunting.

for the wav editing, i like soundforge. it makes a lot of sense to me.

i've been doing musique concrete for a long time. my conventional sounding recordings are put together the same way as my experimental stuff. i consider them the same thing but people get all caught up in the fact that i'll do a country song that way but the techniques are the same. to me, it's the same regardless of the sounds.

acid pro 4.0 accepts vst instruments, which will be important to you. i've been using cubase to make vst instrument loops before putting them into acid. i'll no longer need this with acid pro 4.0 as it adds vst instrument capability.

btw, i have some friends who tell me wavelab is the best editor. i've never really tried it out to know.

steve
www.piemusic.com

[ozraves]

major, i wish you'd consider writing an article about your musique concrete work for my new project studio site: www.piemusic.com/mp/main.html

[major240]

Sure...I'd be honored. My work is not extensive but I can write about creative process, techniques, etc.
Let me know what you require/desire.

I'll look at SoundForge...and have also heard of Wavelab.

Are you saying you wil give up cubase and keep the AcidPro?

What do you use as an interface? Another area I am trying to decide upon.

[ozraves]

Originally posted by major240
Sure...I'd be honored. My work is not extensive but I can write about creative process, techniques, etc.
Let me know what you require/desire.

I'll look at SoundForge...and have also heard of Wavelab.

Are you saying you wil give up cubase and keep the AcidPro?

What do you use as an interface? Another area I am trying to decide upon.

I use an M-Audio Audiophile card. I only need two channels at most so it works for me. BTW, Acid can onlly record one track at a time (either mono or stereo).

If I wanted more channels, then I'd probably get an Echo product or maybe an M-Audio Delta 1010. If you are going to link your computer to other recording devices requiring some sort of sync then I'd suggest looking at the Lynx products.

Giving up on the Cubase and just working with Acid for my own work is the plan. I don't know if that'll be workable or not. I like how Acid sounds.

Here's a track I mixed for a friend on Acid recently:

http://www.piemusic.com/sb/purge.mp3