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09-19-2002
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What type of Mixer are you?
Set it and Forget it?
Ride em Coyboy? SoMm 
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09-19-2002
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I am an automation freak...
Sometimes, on a vocal, I will use only a minimal amount of compression and then ride the fader with my finger, and have the automation record my moves, then it can do it for me after that... Joe
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09-19-2002
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Depending on the song....
...it's either Ride 'em Cowboy or Set It and Forget It!
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09-19-2002
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Re: Depending on the song....
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09-19-2002
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YEEEEEEEEEEEEE--HAWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWW
RIDE'EM COWBOY
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09-19-2002
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Maybe I'm just lazy, but I set it and forget it.
I try to get each instrument to sit exactly where it should in the mix. Once it's there, I don't see any need to change it. Although I have used automation on a few occasions where it was absolutely necessary.
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09-19-2002
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Kind of a hybrid of the two. I'll do a lot of volume/pan envelopes on tracks but that's all routed out to individual channels of an analog board where I'll still end up riding faders.
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09-19-2002
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09-19-2002
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Automation is for wusses?
I automate the heck out of my mixes! Why? Because I can- and the old digital recording hardware interface has precious few hardware faders to be riding. Why not? Other than that I set it and forget it. Most instruments in my mixes work OK doing that so why get fancy? Its pretty obvious when it DOESN'T work, though, so its back to the fader riding (8 at a time) with the "Automation Record" button lit up red.  Its fun to try different automations, too. I press a stereo mix of different automations (and save back up copies of the arragement files). Why not? Its digital and I can. Kind of the best of both worlds in my mind. Take care, Chris
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09-19-2002
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Although I try to get my tracks as close as possible to where I think they need to sit in the mix when recording, I do end up riding the faders. Especially with vocals and lead guitars. I suppose I could just compress them to death, but that takes all the fun out of it.
It also tends to take all the life out of it as well.
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09-19-2002
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I wouldn't dream of giving up my ProTools automation. I'll automate anything that will give me a creative edge - delays that only slip in at the ends of phrases, changing reverb parameters to create "heavenly" ambience on certain words, auto-panning percussion decays from one side to the other, dropping in telephone EQ's on specific phrases, muting tracks to create breakdowns, or anything else I can think of.
I love the power, and more important, the clients love the results... and what else really matters?
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09-19-2002
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Oh yeah, I forgot to mention that I record my fader riding in PT. I prefer that to writing it in the edit window. I have a piece of dense foam that I put up in front of my visual monitors when I mix to kill the reflection and keep from being distracted by the screens. Plug-in automation is great for those things that just need a little touch.
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09-20-2002
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Dobro,
Automation is a fun thing you can do with most DAW's- you can record your fader movements and changes to effect parameters. Wen the song plays through places where you have [i]automated[i] elements of the mix, the faders re-do the movements that you recorded. Say the volume of track 2 is "set and forgotten" at about 8 on the fader for most of the song- except it just needs to be pushed up to 9 from 1:25 to 1:37. Play the song from about 1:20 with the "record automation" function enabled. At 1:25 push the fader up to 9 and pull it back down at 1:37. Hit stop around 1:40 or so. Viola! Now the movements have been recorded and will be played back that way without you having to touch the faders. Take care, Chris
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09-20-2002
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i'ma Set it and forget it guy
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09-20-2002
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AUTOMATION all the way!!!!
Teacher, automation isn't unique to ProTools - I do it with Nuendo, and I believe most of the popular programs have it - I know Sonar and Cubase do. Sometimes I wish I was a ride-em cowboy kinda guy, but who am I kidding? Why go through all of the anguish when you can fine tune?. There's nothing like watching those faders move up and down EXACTLY how you told them to
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09-20-2002
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I ride 'em or use automaiton. Unless I can get by with set and forget, but that's hardly the case.
Also, automation is quite handy if you use the same tracks for different instruments and various things that are involved. If I'd take one track for each of those things, I'd have songs with over 32 tracks... My VS1880 only allows 18. With 32 tracks, I'd probably be more of the set/forget type. Maybe a little riding. About riding vs automation. If you got the shortcuts of yer DAW down, setting up the automation is just a few more buttons than you need when riding faders. And you can have sudden changes way more easy. With VCA automation, now that's different...
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09-20-2002
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Chalk up another one for automation (volume envelopes). Much more exacting than trying to ride faders (plus I started in the digital world, so I never developed any bad analog habits
).Vector based automation is, to me, one of the real blessings of computer based mixing. BTW, Teacher, Seanmorse is correct. You can do fader automation in Sonar (however, I would highly recommend volume envelopes over fader automation. Ultimately though I think that the fader automation in Sonar prints as a volume envelope anyway.)
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09-20-2002
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I wouldn't call it a bad habit. In the old days, there was no other option. But, having alot of people to ride alot of faders on the board wasn't really the way to go, from what I heard...
It's what you do when mixing live... But to ride them when going to tape, you should know what's coming, so you gotta write down how to move the fader and when... Automation is easier on my VS...
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09-20-2002
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...that's a skill I'd love to have, but one I don't think I'd have the patience to master.
I've seen some of the remote guys (usually the ones in beat-up vans with $100,000 worth of equipment in it) do mixes on-the-fly (riding the faders the whole way while burning to CD), and did a better job than I could have with tracked instruments and a week to mix. ...my hat's off to those guys
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09-20-2002
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Come on man, this is the 21st century.
It's automation all the way! Get with the program you bunch 'o damn dinosaurs!
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09-20-2002
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Set it and forget it... If it becomes absolutely necessary, I do automation, but never with riding, but on snapshots and gradation... I'm kind of a too theoretical person and always tweak a lot on static setups these I sotre oin scenes and if I cant find one to work through my whole song, I have to automate...
as some of you might know, I'm doing punk rock and work with tons of compression, which in fact gives rather 'static' dynamics (oops ) that can be handeled quite ok with static mixes.aXel
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09-20-2002
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Chris, thanks for the explanation.
"Play the song from about 1:20 with the "record automation" function enabled. At 1:25 push the fader up to 9 and pull it back down at 1:37. Hit stop around 1:40 or so. Viola! Now the movements have been recorded and will be played back that way without you having to touch the faders." So what's the difference between automation and riding the faders? Automation just records what you're doing, right?
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