Drums mic kits

[mastahnke]

Hey, I am in need of some drum mics, and I have been looking at kits that various brands are selling. Ideally I would have 57 on toms, snare, Sennheiser MD421 on kick and a couple of overheads, but I don't know if the budget will permit that.

Anyone have experience with the Nady, Audix or Shure kits? They start at about 100$ and go up from there. I probably need some sort of tom mounting device also...if that factors in.

--MIKE

[VOXVENDOR]

I like my Audix drum mics.

Joe

[gbake]

I have asked a similar question some time ago, you might find this thread interesting:

http://homerecording.com/bbs/showthr...threadid=57569

[Gidge]

whats your budget for mics only?

[mastahnke]

Im not exactly sure, something under 500 ideally. The less the better, because this cuts into budget for other items, such as a new preamp and such.

--MIKE

[Gidge]

my fav budget setup

AT ATMPRO25 on kick
sm57 on snare
Marshall mxl603's (2) overhead
Radio Shack 30-3032 on toms (if you must mic them)


put the $$$ into preamps.....

[VOXVENDOR]

Originally posted by Gidge

Radio Shack 30-3032 on toms

Fag.



(Sorry, I couldn't resist)

[Freudian Slip]

I bought the shure kit with a beta 52 and three sm-57's
I am very happy with it! I wish I had a d112 once in a while but ya know....

The best thing about the kit is it comes with 3 sm-57's!!! That leaves me with lots of cross over applications. The clamps that come with the kit (which I never use for recording) are very stout. You will rip the rim off the drum before they come off.
Plus you get the case.

I have seen a kit with the d112 and 3 sm-57's but I can't remember the price, and I don't think it comes with a case (not sure about the mounts/clamps.

I have become a total convert to the overhead (3 mic system) that has been discussed on this bbs to great extent. I do use an seperate mic on the snare just in case I need to dial some in with a off set EQ.

You could do a search under "fat drum sound" and bring up the thread I am pretty sure.

Good luck.
drums are the worst for recording


F.S.

[flapo1]

And what about the "cheapie" packs, like Nady, Audix, Carvin, etc.?

[Freudian Slip]

I have hears several people say the audix is ok. Shure hakes a cheapy pack to. Carvin I don't know. I have had a carvin guitar, and I have a set of floor monitors. I was very impressed with both for the price. Check their return policy.


F.S.

[foreverain4]

my church purchased a pack of carvin drum mics. it was actually at my request because they were on a budget and i wanted to hear what they sounded like. win win eh? anyway, the pack comes with 2 tom mics and a bass drum mic. they are all dynamic. the bass drum mic pretty much sucks for bass drum, but it has found its home on a 16" tom. if you get this pack, i would strongly not recomend the bass drum mic on the bass drum. the tom mics sound fine. i have a friend that bought the audix drum pack. he is really happy about them. i have heard his band play live in clubs and i must say that the mics sound pretty darn good to me. i, this past monday, used one of the audix mics to mic a snare drum in my studio. i was very pleased with the result. i, myself, am using the sennheiser 602 on the bass drum and 604's on the toms. i also usually use a 57 for the snare. overhead i use akg c1000s's.

[Nik D]

I quite like my CAD pack. It comes with 3 tom mics and a kick. It only ran me 150 at GC too. You might want to check those out. I've heard that the Nady's are crap though, but I've never used them. Can't say anything for the other packs either.

[jeap]

for recording i think large diaphragm condensers are best.

one for the kick at a distance of about 3 ft.

2 a little overhead and in front.

adjust the distances for bass response. closer = more bass.

3 mics.

[Randy Yell]

I have a Nady 7 piece drum mic set.While it is possible to get decent sound from them I think that it makes more sense to buy mics seperately and go with less mics if neccessary.The mics I use are the Nady kick mic and tom mics,behringer ECM8000s for overheads and an AKG 880 on snare.If I were spending that $200 today on drum mics,I would buy a pair of Behringer ECM 8000's (about $70),a Shure SM57 for snare (about $80)and the Audio Technica kick mic that can be had for about $50 or $60 from 8TH ST music.Only four mics,but four good mics that could do a very nice job on a kit.

[trew]

The Shure kit sounds good to me. You can use it now for just about everything including drums, and it will continue to serve even as you upgrade your mic collection.

The only thing missing is OHs, though, right?

That's where the ECMs might be the choice. Super cheap, use 'em now on various sounds, keep 'em around as you upgrade. And don't forget to check out the MXL 603s!

[scottr]

Originally posted by Gidge
my fav budget setup

AT ATMPRO25 on kick
sm57 on snare
Marshall mxl603's (2) overhead
Radio Shack 30-3032 on toms (if you must mic them)


put the $$$ into preamps.....

I haven't even been able to find those damn radio shack mics anywhere... Eh well, i probably wouldn't have bought it anyway.

BTW, a friend of mine strongly recommended the Octava Mk-012 for overheads, and he says they are great on a lot of other instruments too.. And they are 2 for $200 at musicians friend!!! Anyone had any experience with this mic? His drum tracks seem to be coming out really nice..



Scott

[Blue Bear Sound]

You wouldn't know a good recording if it bit you in the fuckin' arse..........'

Originally posted by jeap
for recording i think large diaphragm condensers are best.

And a statement like this simply shows how ignorant you really are...............

[Blue Bear Sound]

Originally posted by mastahnke
Hey, I am in need of some drum mics, and I have been looking at kits that various brands are selling. Ideally I would have 57 on toms, snare, Sennheiser MD421 on kick and a couple of overheads, but I don't know if the budget will permit that.

Anyone have experience with the Nady, Audix or Shure kits? They start at about 100$ and go up from there. I probably need some sort of tom mounting device also...if that factors in.

--MIKE

You are better off selecting appropriate mics for each drum application than using a "kit".... make your own kit! (more expensive, but much better results....!)

[jeap]

Originally posted by Blue Bear Sound
You wouldn't know a good recording if it bit you in the fuckin' arse..........'

And a statement like this simply shows how ignorant you really are...............

wow. what an asshole!

[jeap]

here is where fletcher describes the same kind of thing i am talking about.

it was mentioned to me that fletcher recommends the same technique that i favor.

proaudio101 wrote:
How do you do this with the overheads
(where should they be in height, distance, aimed at?), and are KM84 usually good tools for the OH pair? Will there be any polarity problems if I throw in a snare and room mic?

Fletcher wrote:
There a half a dozen "3 mic drum techniques" that I'm familiar with.
Is there any particular one to which you refer?

Here are a few of them:

I usually start with a mic in front of the kit. It could be 6 feet or one foot off the bass drum. The object of this mic is usually to get the "front of the kit". I look for a good bass drum sound, but also the bottom of the toms and a bit of snare...cymbals will also exist here. The tuning of the kit, the proficiency of the drummer, the mic selection and placement are all pretty damn important...you can do a little EQ to this, but not a whole hell of a lot. When you use equalizers on this mic, you will find that you often mess up the balance of the drums within the context of the kit. Depending on the tone you're looking for, a ribbon, lg. diaphragm condenser or dynamic might be the most appropriate.

For ribbons my choices are usually Royer 121's, RCA-77's...for lg. diaphragm condensers, Neumann 47 FET's, M-147's; Soundelux U-195’s/U-95S’s and/or U-99’s; dynamics MD-421’s; AKG D-30's often work pretty well, but they're a bitch to find and I don't own one. Sometimes [rarely] a Shure 57.

Now, in mono, one speaker, I put up a second mic. This can go anywhere from directly over the snare to over the drummers right shoulder...or anywhere in the arc in between. The key here is to add that mic so you get the snare, hat, top of the toms and cymbals without the cymbals being out of balance with the rest of the kit. If the drummer can't control this balance, you're pretty much fucked and should revert back to the close mic'ed SR methods they teach at the recording schools.

The reason I do this in mono-1 speaker is to insure that I'm not going to fuck with the bottom of the bass drum because of an inconsistent phase relationship with the front mic. For this I will often use a ribbon, like a Coles 4038, or a condenser. U-67's often work. I find that as I get closer to 'behind the drummer', a small diaphragm condenser, like a KM-54 will often work a bit better.

Mic #3 is often placed next to the floor tom, just peeking over the rim of the drum at the snare. It's usually placed equidistant from the over mic as it relates to 'ground zero' [where the drummer actually hits the snare drum, not the center of it]. As always, one speaker mono is your friend.

Another set of fun ones...a pair of small diaphragm condensers [I usually like an SM-2 Neumann for this] about 4-5 feet over the front mic, aimed at the outer edges of the crash cymbals. I like an SM-2 because I have to worry about the phase relationships of the two mics less, but still worry about that relationship as it relates to the 'FOK' [front of the kit] mic. Lately I’ve been using a Royer SF-12 in this application, and absolutely loving it. Big , clear, open, not too brash, yet no shortage of high end “silk”. Absolutely my first choice these days.

There's another I've done where I use two lg. diaphragm condensers [like 47's] and spread them out. Like one in front of each rack tom [on the side of the toms. When I do this one, it seems that if all three mics are equidistant from 'ground zero' my setup time is pretty well reduced. Don't forget mono one speaker, or you may end up wanting to drink Drano when it comes time to mix.

http://www.mercenary.com/3micdrumstuf.html


maybe big boy sound thinks fletcher is ignorant too?

maybe big boy sound is the biggest asshole in all forums!

[Blue Bear Sound]

Fletcher clearly indicates use of small dia's and dynamics, as well as large-dia's.... which is expected....

This varies significantly from your ignorant comment of "for recording i think large diaphragm condensers are best. "

Look idiot-boy, you've got a long way to go before you have any CLUE as to what you're talking about, so why don't you just shut the fuck up, sit still, and LEARN something before you open your fuckin' mouth..............

[foreverain4]

blue bear,
dont you think you are being a bit harsh? jeap simply added an opinion. unless there is some other thread between you two that i dont know about. na nanan iiiiice bear!!!!! please dont eat me!



lynn

[VOXVENDOR]

Originally posted by Blue Bear Sound
Fletcher clearly indicates use of small dia's and dynamics, as well as large-dia's.... which is expected....

This varies significantly from your ignorant comment of "for recording i think large diaphragm condensers are best. "

Look idiot-boy, you've got a long way to go before you have any CLUE as to what you're talking about, so why don't you just shut the fuck up, sit still, and LEARN something before you open your fuckin' mouth..............

Quick Blue Bear..... Someone has logged in as you... I think it might be Ed......



Sorry, had to....


By the way, where is Ed...?

[jeap]

Originally posted by Blue Bear Sound
Fletcher clearly indicates use of small dia's and dynamics, as well as large-dia's.... which is expected....

This varies significantly from your ignorant comment of "for recording i think large diaphragm condensers are best. "

Look idiot-boy, you've got a long way to go before you have any CLUE as to what you're talking about, so why don't you just shut the fuck up, sit still, and LEARN something before you open your fuckin' mouth..............

i really dont know what your problem is asswipe!

cant you read?

maybe you dropped out of school as a tot?


"There's another I've done where I use two lg. diaphragm condensers [like 47's] and spread them out. Like one in front of each rack tom [on the side of the toms. When I do this one, it seems that if all three mics are equidistant from 'ground zero' my setup time is pretty well reduced."

the third mic he talks about he gives a number of lg condensers as examples!


HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA!!!!!


i think its too late for you to grow a brain but at least you could try to be more pleasant.

you must be the biggest asshole on the whole internet!

[Blue Bear Sound]

Originally posted by foreverain4
blue bear,
dont you think you are being a bit harsh? jeap simply added an opinion.

He's been spouting bullshit so I'm cleaning up after him...........

And beleive me, there's a lot to clean-up....!