More on mixing with envelopes

[mixsit]

I'm still figuring out how this best works. I landed on this approach...sort of thinking out loud here, looking for insight.
We have clip 'gain' envelopes which are pre-fader and pre-effect patch (buss or track insert). Then, the track 'volume' ones that are post.
I tended to get my self into a bind, when I made a bunch of volume edits (some very fine and numerous). Then as the mix progressed, if I wanted to try out some simple volume changes, I guess you can grab them all and move them, or go to 'offset' mode.
So I'm trying the 'gain' ones for most of the moves, saving track volume for later. Seems like it leaves more easier options.
One thing that comes out in this is the effect it has on compressor plugs. As you boost and cut 'gain', it changes the density in the comp. So you have the option to have level change with the same sound effect or not.

Cheers
wayne

[dachay2tnr]

mixit - I've stuggled with this question myself. Gain envelopes or track volume envelopes? I haven't come to any definitive conclusions - both have some advantages and disadvantages.

In the past, I have mostly come down on the side of using gain envelopes. The primary reason was that if I later wanted to raise or lower that particular track in the mix, I could just change the track volume setting, while still leaving the envelopes in place.

My latest project, though, I tried using track volume envelopes, and then using the "trim" setting if I needed to increase or decrease the overall volume. This seemed to work OK. And the advantage of the track volume envelope is that it runs through the entire track, whereas the clip envelope begins and ends at a clip. This can present problems if your track has numerous clips within it.

So, I've now used three entire paragraphs to tell you I don't know the right answer either.

[tubedude]

I use track envelopes, I think clip envelopes would be too much trouble considering the fact that I end up chopping everything to hell before I get done with it.
What irritates me is trying to move the volume fader after placing a track envelope. It just jerks back where it was. There is a way around this, but I cant remember it. Guess I'll look it up again.

[dachay2tnr]

What irritates me is trying to move the volume fader after placing a track envelope. It just jerks back where it was. There is a way around this, but I cant remember it.

I believe that's what the trim setting is for. Allows you to lower (or raise) the entire track without changing the track envelope.

[mixsit]

I just found how with the 'envelope tool' you can select as many or all the nodes at once and drag them up or down -not to bad a solution but still messy. Also, in clip properties you can de-select the gains or volumes, so they aren't shown. Makes selecting one set or the other easier.

I did have some problems in cake8 where combining two clips with envelopes didn't track the same afterwards.



"Still crazy after all these years"

[tubedude]

Dig. I'm gonna look at the manual some more. I have some learning to do on the midi, drum loops and drum map things.
What was the method for moving the entire envelope, all nodes, at the same time? Just dragging the line?

Peace.
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[dachay2tnr]

Originally posted by tubedude
[BWhat was the method for moving the entire envelope, all nodes, at the same time? Just dragging the line?
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If you have the entire track highlighted, when you move a line on an envelope, the entire envelope will change. If the track is not highlighted, just the portion of the between the nodes where you mouse is located will move.

[mixsit]

Hi. Yes. With the envelope tool, click and drag around all of them, like highlighting text or graphic points.
Shees, I haven't even touched midi or dxi synths.
So many options so little time.

This is turning out to be my veg-day. May I pour you some Australian Shiraz?
peace

[dachay2tnr]

Originally posted by mixsit
May I pour you some Australian Shiraz?

I've already polished a bottle of California Cabernet tonight. However, pour away mein host.