Recorded songs with generic sound card, now bought an Audiophile 2496

[DarkCide]

I recorded alot of songs with my old generic card and now I should recieve my new audiophile card pretty soon, all my old songs were recorded with the metronome with cakewalk 9, the midi device was the old sound card. Now, when I install my new audiophile card, will it effect the midi metronome where all the old songs will play off-beat with the audiophile midi device? I think its called latency. opinions are appreciated.

Thanks.

[dachay2tnr]

Whew! You're quite a bit off course here.

First, the timing of the song is set when you record it. It will stay that way unless you do something to change it.

Second, why would you be thinking of using a metronome for a song that is already recorded. The purpose of the metronome is just to keep you on time WHILE you are recording.

Third, I'm not sure but I don't believe the Audiophile has any MIDI synthesizer, and therefore, you won't be able to use the midi metrnome through that card anyway.

[Teacher]

keep ur generic card for midi purposes M-audio doesn't make a card(yet) that does midi as well as audio

[DarkCide]

Originally posted by dachay2tnr
Whew! You're quite a bit off course here.

First, the timing of the song is set when you record it. It will stay that way unless you do something to change it.

Second, why would you be thinking of using a metronome for a song that is already recorded. The purpose of the metronome is just to keep you on time WHILE you are recording.

Third, I'm not sure but I don't believe the Audiophile has any MIDI synthesizer, and therefore, you won't be able to use the midi metrnome through that card anyway.

1) I installed a gina 20 card and there was an issue with the timing being off, so I'm worried the same will happen with the audiophile.

2) I would want to use the metronome for the old songs to make some changes.

3) the audiophile has a plug for midi I/O but I'm not sure that means if it has a midi synthesizer, if not, why would they have the midi jack?


Thanks.

[dachay2tnr]

Originally posted by DarkCide

1) I installed a gina 20 card and there was an issue with the timing being off, so I'm worried the same will happen with the audiophile.

2) I would want to use the metronome for the old songs to make some changes.

3) the audiophile has a plug for midi I/O but I'm not sure that means if it has a midi synthesizer, if not, why would they have the midi jack?


Thanks.

1. Not sure why that would be. Can you give some details? Also, I didn't think the Gina had midi capabilities either.
2. Can't you simply use the existing recorded tracks to play along with?
3. The midi i/o on the Audiophile is to connect to an external midi device (e.g., a keyboard). The card has no native synthsizer.

[DarkCide]

I installed my Gina20 card set it up as the primary card, I played my songs on cakewalk using the midi synthesizer of my old but setup the gina to record and play back tracks, the midi metronome was out of syn. I could record along the old songs but there are some tricky tempo changes that require a metronome.

I should get my audiophile soon, I bought it because I thought it would have an internal midi device which could be used when recording and playing back songs, I'm sure it has a better driver than the gina so that might fix the problem.

[Jim Y]

Sorry, the Audiophile is just an interface - it will not itself provide a midi sound for the metronome. You might consider getting a cheap midi keyboard or sound module and driving it from the Audiophile midi port for a metronome - anything that can make a percussion sound with a midi input will do.
See a post from a few days back called "My Metronome Problem".
It's something thats becoming quite an issue.

[DarkCide]

I'm going to try to give all the details about my current situation, please read through.

I recorded some demo songs for a friend of mine who is overseas and we both use cakewalk 9, I need to change some parts in some songs and this time I want to make it perfect, thats why I bought a Gina20 card, the gina20's driver is not so good for win2000, the company is going to release a final version in a few months, so I bought an Audiophile 2496 which I should get soon, I thought the card had an internal synthesizer because it had the Midi I/O, obviously I was wrong but still the card is more compatible with win2000 than the gina20.

I have songs already recorded but I need to make some changes once I get the audiophile, since it has no midi synthesizer, is it possible to use the midi synth on my old yamaha card and still be able to use the audiophile for playback/recording without any problems?

[Qwerty]

In my experience, No.

I have an Aardvark Digital Pro 24/96 and an older SB Live! card. The 24/96 is like the Audiophile in that it has a MIDI I/O not an internal synth. The SB Live has a MIDI I/O and a MIDI synth.

If I record audio using the 24/96 and try to play it back using the internal MIDI sync to produce backing tracks, then there will be a timing issue related to the fact that the audio card is providing timing for the .WAV files while the SB Live is providing the timing for the MIDI files.

The only way I got around this was routing my MIDI output through the MIDI I/O on the 24/96 and out through the keyboard.

[tntkemp]

As long as you have audio, you are supposed to use audio sync, not midi sync...at least that's what I read in the past. I would think this myself, especially if the Midi interface is separate from the audio interface. In my case, with the Frontier Designs Dakota card, I have used midi sync only for transferring data from my Roland VS840 hard disk recorder into Sonar. Everything else uses Audio sync only. I've had no problems, and I feed the Roland into the computer via the SB Live Joystick/Midi port, because I have both of my Dakota midi ports tied up with other equipment.

[Qwerty]

Who knows? I could not tie it down - using any form of timing setting with the SB midi port introduced timing issues after a couple of minutes.... Using the midi port on the audio card's breakout box seems to do the trick..... I guess YMMV is the key acronym of choice.....

[Jim Y]

By coincidence - I've just been reading an article in Sound-on-Sound magazine about midi delay and it seems that you can often expect around 6ms between the sequencer issuing a note and a soundcard with onboard synth issuing it - this is no differant than an external synth manages - some took around 15ms. I don't know if this is going to upset your metronome timing - I think I could live with it and I never noticed a problem when I had a Soundblaster live card for this duty. I would try the old card and see what happens. What make is it? Yamaha or is that just the type of chip it uses (Yamaha OPL3 fm synth)?
If you recorded using this card for the metronome, it should be in time on playback.