To KRK or Not...

[Mitchmuzicman]

I have a line on some new KRK V8's at 65% off list. Do any of you have any experience with these? Thanks!

[darrin_h2000]

I guess they are allright , Blue Bear uses them. but Barefoot (a monitor guru) says that the transiant response on the 8" monitors is inferior to the 6 1/2 " monitors.

I use a set with 7" woofers (NS10s), I get results that I like.

[LooneyTunez]

I love my V6's (and would have gone for the V8's if my budget would have been bigger).

Try before you buy though...KRK's seem to be either loved or hated, and nothing in between.

[c9-2001]

v8's are great.
they're usually 599 each if your gonna get a better price than that, get them...

[Blue Bear Sound]

I couldn't work without my V8s!!!

GET THEM............!

[JuSumPilgrim]

I know people who have trouble translating their mixes with the V8s. I think KRK monitors are too forgiving. The stereo field is deep and wide and the highs are hyped and transients sound exaggreated to me. Similar to events but more aggressive. Events are more mid hyped. They both have the same exaggerated stereo field/transient problem though so mixes sound more separated and mixed than they are.

[Blue Bear Sound]

I found the EXACT opposite of pretty much everything you just said!

The Events I found very forgiving and had trouble translating mixes on them......

The V8s let me hear exactly what I need, the way I need to hear it!

[JuSumPilgrim]

The events ARE forgiving and they require a considerable amount of learning. Im not saying the events are any better than KRK. They both have their issues. My point is that they have similar issues, hyped frequencies, exaggreated transients which can lead to overcompression, and exaggerated stereo field which can lead to underpanning. They are both great sounding speakers and make clients giddy in the studio but they dont always translate.

[Blue Bear Sound]

Originally posted by JuSumPilgrim
My point is that they have similar issues...

...make clients giddy in the studio but they dont always translate.

I disagree completely, but that's ok.... monitor choice is EXTREMELY subjective...........

It's almost as pointless as arguing that red is a better color than blue!

[JuSumPilgrim]

Indulge me for a second here....are you gonna tell me that KRKs are flat from top to bottom? Im curious as I know you had a pair of PS6s for a while. What did you have to learn about the KRKs to get mixes to translate aside from not pulling down the open hi hats bec of the hyped top end?
I will say though that the KRKs are a more revealing speaker around 500-800 (my guess) where the events are somewhat scooped. You get a sense of being closer to the sound than with the events.

[Blue Bear Sound]

Originally posted by JuSumPilgrim
Indulge me for a second here....are you gonna tell me that KRKs are flat from top to bottom?

I doubt that they are, since no monitor is! And it's kind of irrelevant anyways... they give me what I want to hear... if they're actually "colored" or not doesn't make them less useful.... much like someone working with NS10s, I suppose.... highly colored but works for some people!

Im curious as I know you had a pair of PS6s for a while. What did you have to learn about the KRKs to get mixes to translate aside from not pulling down the open hi hats bec of the hyped top end?

You know what? I didn't have to learn them at all! That's what I meant by they worked for me... whatever I mixed on them translated right away... and further... I listened to some old mixes I had done via the Events and instantly heard the mix flaws.......

Note that just because I got instant gratification out of them is no indication of whether someone else will too...... a monitor's "beauty" is in the eye of the beholder......

I will say though that the KRKs are a more revealing speaker around 500-800 (my guess) where the events are somewhat scooped. You get a sense of being closer to the sound than with the events.

Now THAT I agree with!

[JuSumPilgrim]

Originally posted by Blue Bear Sound
I doubt that they are, since no monitor is! And it's kind of irrelevant anyways... they give me what I want to hear... if they're actually "colored" or not doesn't make them less useful.... much like someone working with NS10s, I suppose.... highly colored but works for some people!

That was a trick question. No monitor is flat but there are those that approach the flat ideal and dont have biases which will skew your mix. Mackie is one such monitor to my ears. After a long time with events and the hyped hi mids and scooped low mids, Im looking forward to some neutrality and an easier time translating.

[mixsit]

[QUOTE]Originally posted by JuSumPilgrim
... exaggreated transients which can lead to overcompression...

I have a question about this. Transients are stronger (or faster) than the source? Or are you referring to a frequency range where they reside being hyped? I can't imagine they could be anything but diminished by any speaker.
wayne

[JuSumPilgrim]

Dif speakers/monitors articulate transients differently. I havent seen this issue talked about much but it seems very obvious to me if you listen to the tannoy reveals for instance you hear a more muted type transient articulation than with events or KRK. The more muted or less hyped the transients, the less you would compress. The more hyped the transients, the more you would compress. Initially when listening to just about any event monitor there is this illusion of clarity and very nice depth bec of the hyped transient response. Although they DO have very nice depth and imaging its due in some part to exaggerated transients which give them a punchy more defined sound than the muddier reveals. There have been times when I did a mix on events where the snare was almost jumping out of the speaker, where the thwack was almost too much and on other systems it was just "there"--present--not as aggressive as it should have been, having nowhere near the energy and punch it had on the events. Unfortunately, this kind of thing is not so easy to predict bec dif snares have dif frequency makeups and the transients are hyped diffirently at dif frequencies so you may compress a snare that peaks around 1200 at 6:1 with 5ms attck when it shouldve been more like 4:1 with a 10ms attack and you may cut the snare at 4k bec it seems to be too edgy when it shouldve been left alone.

[Mitchmuzicman]

Thanks guys for the info. After considering all your comments, and listening to the KRK V8's side by side with Events and Mackie's, I have decided to get V8's. I am getting them for $780 plus tax. A family frioend works at teh local GC and they are demo's, but haven't been on the floor long (3 weeks), and are in excellent condition.

I agree with the previous posts that no monitor is perfectly flat. I guess what it really boils down to is personal taste. At any rate, "thank you" to all of you guys for your input and your varied opinions!!

[Downside Studio]

hey Blue Beer...we've got another V8 friend !

[Blue Bear Sound]