Help from John or others on studio design

[darr]

I have tried to email John Sayers but have gotten nothing except mail returned.Anyone know where or how to get ahold of John?
Ok here it is for everyone on this forum.You have all been very helpful to me on my last adventure and I thank you again.
I am building a garage studio with the dimensions of 15x21 with 8ft ceilings.This is the room i have to play with.It will be a slab floor( already laid).
I need some ideas on design.I looked at john's on the the sae.edu site.The second plan of a garage(two rooms) looks like a good canidate.
Seems small though.
Any ideas or pictures or anything would be of great help to decide on how to do this room.
Thanx all.Let the questions fly!!
Dave R

[ausrock]

Dave,
John is away on an extended 4WD tour around Australia........last post from him was from far NW Aust. and gave no indication of where he is headed next or when he will be back.

I would suggest you try and work one of his garage designs to suit your needs.

Peace...........ChrisO

[darr]

Will do.If anyone cares to share more please do though.
Thanx

[barefoot]

Check out my design for flush mounting monitors. http://homerecording.com/bbs/showthr...threadid=26518 It would be cool to see somebody implement it.

Flush mounting in general is far superior to free standing, even for near fields. I give some reasons in this post. http://homerecording.com/bbs/showthr...threadid=25497

Keep us updated.

barefoot

[frederic]

Flush mounting in general is far superior to free standing, even for near fields. I give some reasons in this post. http://homerecording.com/bbs/showthr...threadid=25497

That thread of yours inspired me to attempt to flush mount my monitors, and didn't find an easy way of doing this (there is no wall at the back of my console table), so I built a wall!

So yes, at least one used your design

[darr]

What about someone using a pair of yamaha ns10ms and a yamaha sub?
How would you setup the soffit idea with a sub infront?

[barefoot]

frederic,

You actually used my rear mount, decoupled bezel design? Can you post a picture? I'd love to see it!

Some monitors have circuitry to compensate for the free field -6dB diffraction loss I described in that post. If yours do, then be sure to turn it off , otherwise you'll have a +6dB hump in your low end.

darr,

Having a sub should make no difference other than maybe having to readjust the level to compensate for the enhance satellite bass output. In fact, it should make the task of matching the sub and satellite outputs easier. In any case, I always suggest keeping the sub as close to the satellites as possible while still following the manufacturer's guidelines (like keeping the sub on the floor or near a wall).

I don't want to get into a debate about NS10's, but the problem with flush mounting your particular monitors may be this: The only reason I can imagine that anyone would want a pair of NS10's is because, well, they sound like NS10's - i.e. tradition. Traditionally they are not flush mounted, but sit on the console. If you flush mount them you will be breaking from tradition and probably defeating the whole purpose for owning them in the first place.

If you're still interested in using my design, I'd be happy to suggest materials and specific construction methods.

barefoot

[frederic]

Originally posted by barefoot
You actually used my rear mount, decoupled bezel design? Can you post a picture? I'd love to see it!

Some monitors have circuitry to compensate for the free field -6dB diffraction loss I described in that post. If yours do, then be sure to turn it off , otherwise you'll have a +6dB hump in your low end.

Yes, I definately used your design. And, I built a wall specifically so I could soffet mount my monitors (there was no wall there for a variety of reasons).

Once I'm back to health and constructing again, I'll be sure to snap some pictures for you. Right now everything's been cut, measured, fit, and ready for assembly.

Then my gall bladder needed to be removed via emergency room visit.

Keep you posted! I'm excited about your design, as you can tell I made the soffet openings large enough for my Urei's, even though its unlikely I'm going to mount them. They are getting very old and their "matched pair"-ness seems to be less matched these days. I think its time to dissect them and check the solder joints and such, yet again.

[longsoughtfor]

Darr - If you end up flush mounting the NMS10M's please post your results! I am in the design phase for my studio at the moment and would consider doing this too... Bucking tradition I know but until I can get different monitors... plus, they don't have to be permenant. Right?

Are there any acoustic problems with making a larger box for use later with different speakers, but installing the NS10M's for now with a larger baffle and more insulation?. Or even a box in a box?

Cheers.

[barefoot]

longsoughtfor,

Actually this is one of the advantages I point out in the post. In fact, more space and more insulation is better. This will better absorb the sound radiated from the 5 sides of the speaker box behind the baffle.

The one thing you probably don't want to do is buy speakers with a rear firing port or passive radiator like the Mackie HR824. In order to flush mount monitors like this you would need to sort of suspend the baffle with no rear enclosure. Then there might be issues with certain baffle dimensions causing funky coupling problems in the frequency band where the woofer and port/radiator overlap. I would avoid these types.

frederic,

I look forward to seeing the pics. Good health to you, and stay away from those fried foods.

barefoot

[sjoko2]

Frederic! Quick! There's a good pair of Urei's for sale on digibid!

[sjoko2]

Frederic! Quick! There's a good pair of Urei's for sale on digibid!

Barefoot, thats a cool design. Have you seen the soffits in my place?

[barefoot]

Thanks sjoko,

I'm still skeptical whether my design is really new. It's seems a little too obvious. (then, didn't they say that about the Hula Hoop!)

I took a look at your updates. Very, very nice. Wow, that's really going to be a pleasant place to work.

Are those the monitors or just temps? If so, it looks like you're leaving extra cavity room as well. But, I would guess you're going with a horn loaded system since that cross beam might present a reflection problem with wide dispersion speakers?

I have a design for a super-controlled-dispersion, super-high-linearity monitor. The problem is the control room layout would have to be specifically tailored to fit them. I'll have to post a thread to get your opinion on whether it would actually be doable in a professional studio.

I'm trying to get some money together to build a rough prototype with inexpensive components to prove the concept. The final design is nearly $20k a pair in parts alone (hardly within the budget of a family living in SF). I know the accuracy of the final design will be unprecedented, but if studios think the layout is just unworkable then there's no point in even proceeding.

barefoot