Best all-in-one vocal processing VST plugin?

[Nogibak]

Hi everyone. I would like to know if anyone has any recommendations for an all around solid VST vocal processing plugin that can either do "all" or "one" thing to particularly dry vocals. What I do is just record the vocals in a dry mono track, and do nothing to it. Perhaps after EQing it, I would add some processing like compression/maximizer/limiting/etc. to make the vocals "stand out" in the mix. My question then is: is there anything like a VST plugin that can do all of the above? Like a quick preset on dry vocals that can do this? I have tried Izotope's Ozone 3 plugin, and despite numerous presets and options--it just didn't have the "vocal sound" I was looking for. I know this may be a long shot because usually it all depends on what I'm looking for. And to accommodate that "magical sound" is just something extremely hard to do with a simple plugin.

But, hmm...anyone know of anything as close to what I'm looking for (mostly just the vocal compressor/maximizer; can ignore everything else), or are my options really limited? If that's the case, I could try for an individual plugin or other techniques instead of like a "all-in-one." Thanks!

[Robert D]

I know it's tempting to want a one plug, "make my vocal sound like I want it to" preset...... but forget it. If I could make one for you for one song, it would be wrong for the next song, and wrong again in a different way for the song after that. There are some plugins that have the common tools for vocal treatment all together in one vocal channel strip, like Voxengo Voxformer, or TC Voicestrip but my experience with them has been less than inspiring. I'd rather pick and choose what reverb, compressor, EQ, Chorus, delay, etc. I want to use on a given track. One stop shopping is very limiting in this regard.

[LemonTree]

Waves SSL 4000 channel strip

[NL5]

Get a Mackie UAD-1. It comes with a couple "go to" vocal comps - the 1176 and LA2A. Get the plate 140 as well. Then get SIR reverb with a 480 or 960 Medium hall impulse. Look up Ford Van's handy vocal trick in this BBS. That will get you a LONG way towards a pro vocal sound for pretty cheap IMHO.

[blue4u]

Originally Posted by NL5

Get a Mackie UAD-1. It comes with a couple "go to" vocal comps - the 1176 and LA2A. Get the plate 140 as well. Then get SIR reverb with a 480 or 960 Medium hall impulse. Look up Ford Van's handy vocal trick in this BBS. That will get you a LONG way towards a pro vocal sound for pretty cheap IMHO.

Wow! That's awesome!! Someone actually came up with a REAL, intelligent answer to this type of request. I opened this thread expecting to see more of the same smart ass (because-we-really-have-no-idea) type of responses I see too often on this forum. I'm sure those will come too but yours is solid advise that is direct and to the point. THANK YOU for that To everyone else that doesn't know how to answer, please save your typing fingers and save us your boring and trite "it depends" types of oh-so-obvious statements. Of course it depends!! Throw the guy a bone anyway and give him a starting place. Otherwise, what's the point of this forum? Be opinionated and tell us what you like! I'm relieved (and impressed) to see you doing just that

I like Line 6's preamp models from their plug-in series. You get 6 preamp/console/tape-emulation models ranging from vintage tube to new, solid state consoles. The plug-in also offers plenty of effects, decent compression and right now, you just can't beat this price ($99): http://www.musiciansfriend.com/produ...-6-?sku=706520. While marketed more towards guitar and bass, the preamp emulations alone are worth the cost!

If you simply must spend more money then I agree that the UAD-1 plug-ins are outstanding and a good value. Waves SSL is good too but I like their V-Series MUCH better for vocals: http://www.waves.com/content.aspx?id=1680. That is, if you REALLY need to spend some money???

For something in between Line 6 and Waves (cost and value), Nomad makes some great plug-ins for this type of application. Check this out: http://www.nomadfactory.com/products/ess/index.html. I've been really impressed with these guys!! Excellent sounds and fair prices.

All the best!
Rich

[NL5]

Originally Posted by blue4u

Wow! That's awesome!! Someone actually came up with a REAL, intelligent answer to this type of request

Thank you.

I would guess about 80% or more of the vocals you hear on the radio have an 1176 or LA2A, a nice plate reverb, a Lexicon Random Hall of some sort (usually a medium hall), and Eventide Harmonizing. It is "THE SOUND". After that, everybody has their own tricks, and of course one of the pieces may be different, but like I said, that will certainly get you a long way towards "pro" sounding vocals.

[SouthSIDE Glen]

Originally Posted by blue4u

Someone actually came up with a REAL, intelligent answer to this type of request.

Here's a smart-assed reply for you.

Robert D's answer was the most correct and intelligent one here thus far. The only thing trite and oh-so-obvious is the original question itself. There are simply some quiestions for which there are no correct answers of the type that the questioner is looking for.

I'd point out that while I have little disagreement with NL5's answer (he's usually pretty good with his answers) that there is nothing "all-in-one" about his answer. He is sending the OP to four (or five, depending on how you look at it) sources, one of them not even being a plug, but rather a description of a particular techniqe.

I'd like for you to name me one product in any catagory of product from golf clubs to stereo systems to sex toys to kitchen appliances to automobiles where putting the words "best" and "all-in-one" have any business whatsoever being together. That's just simply not how the world works.

Tell me, what the best all-in-one, four wheel drive sports car/pickup/luxury sedan/work van/chick magnet/police interceptor/roadster/camper that'll do 0-60 in 4 seconds and get 40 miles to the gallon in the city while doing so?

This is simply another example of a tiring and non-ending series of examples of people looking for magical shortcuts/presets/recipes/all-in-one solutions to quality that require the least amount of cost and effort on the part of the questioner - because they have yet to learn that's not how the world works either.

Forums are supposed to be for sharing quality information, not just telling someone what they want to hear when they ask a faulty question.

G.

[NL5]

Originally Posted by SouthSIDE Glen

Robert D's answer was the most correct and intelligent one here thus far. The only thing trite and oh-so-obvious is the original question itself. There are simply some quiestions for which there are no correct answers of the type that the questioner is looking for.

I'd point out that while I have little disagreement with NL5's answer (he's usually pretty good with his answers) that there is nothing "all-in-one" about his answer. He is sending the OP to four (or five, depending on how you look at it) sources, one of them not even being a plug, but rather a description of a particular techniqe.

I have to chime in just a tad here. While what Robert_D said is true, there is no "one answer", there are certain industry standards. I'd say 99% or more of recording studios with platinum albums on the wall will all share a few things in common. A Lexicon LARC on the console, some 1176's, some LA2A's, an Eventide harmonizer, and a great sounding plate of some sort - most will have a REAL plate.

Now, once you familiarize yourself with what these pieces actually sound like, you can pick them out on a commercial release. I can certainly say with confidence that the starting point I described is on A LOT of records done in the last 20 years. Is it a be all, end all answer? No. I said that in my original post. It will get you a LONG way towards a pro sounding vocal though. Once you are at that point, you can adjust things to the song and your artistic taste. Generally the two things that make "home recordings" sound homemade are the drums and the vocals, so this is certainly an area that a lot people struggle with......

edit - I just re-read what SSG said, and I think I kind of mis-read it a bit. Yes, there is no "all in one answer" to magically make vocals sound pro. Ain't gonna happen, sorry. I think the stuff I posted would be a great way to start, but that is IMO, but it is a VERY common starting place for many a commercial release.

[JuliánFernández]

Originally Posted by NL5

Look up Ford Van's handy vocal trick in this BBS.

Can you post a link? Thanks!

[solo2racr]

Originally Posted by SouthSIDE Glen

Tell me, what the best all-in-one, four wheel drive sports car/pickup/luxury sedan/work van/chick magnet/police interceptor/roadster/camper that'll do 0-60 in 4 seconds and get 40 miles to the gallon in the city while doing so?

Doesn't Subaru make something like that?

[NL5]

Originally Posted by JuliánFernández

Can you post a link? Thanks!

http://homerecording.com/bbs/showthread.php?t=186304

[blue4u]

Originally Posted by SouthSIDE Glen

Here's a smart-assed reply for you.

Robert D's answer was the most correct and intelligent one here thus far. The only thing trite and oh-so-obvious is the original question itself. There are simply some quiestions for which there are no correct answers of the type that the questioner is looking for.

I'd point out that while I have little disagreement with NL5's answer (he's usually pretty good with his answers) that there is nothing "all-in-one" about his answer. He is sending the OP to four (or five, depending on how you look at it) sources, one of them not even being a plug, but rather a description of a particular techniqe.

I'd like for you to name me one product in any catagory of product from golf clubs to stereo systems to sex toys to kitchen appliances to automobiles where putting the words "best" and "all-in-one" have any business whatsoever being together. That's just simply not how the world works.

Tell me, what the best all-in-one, four wheel drive sports car/pickup/luxury sedan/work van/chick magnet/police interceptor/roadster/camper that'll do 0-60 in 4 seconds and get 40 miles to the gallon in the city while doing so?

This is simply another example of a tiring and non-ending series of examples of people looking for magical shortcuts/presets/recipes/all-in-one solutions to quality that require the least amount of cost and effort on the part of the questioner - because they have yet to learn that's not how the world works either.

Forums are supposed to be for sharing quality information, not just telling someone what they want to hear when they ask a faulty question.

G.

Well, that's a spirited reply! I don't completely disagree with your observation but I don't see anything wrong with this type of question either. It's less, a philosophical point and more of a gripe that if you don't want to entertain these types of inquiries and help someone out then don't bother posting showing everyone how asinine you can be. Why not just say, "Hey, I see where you're coming from but the question is a bit complex and perhaps, a little misguided. Here's what I would do in your situation..."? <-- you can even copy and paste this as a template reply It's polite and helpful. Makes people actually wanna come back. Imagine that!

Turning it into a soapbox and bashing the person for asking an honest question (however hopeful and naive it may be) makes you and the person asking BOTH, look stupid! Either you can't answer the question and/or don't want to. In either case, silence is better. Let others chime in and enjoy each other's misguided-less-than-professional-that's-the-wrong-approach company

BTW, I wasn't going after Robert D specifically. To his credit, his answer did offer a direction. Fair enough. But I've seen these types of threads evolve into banter and condescension and I find it uninspiring and frankly, boring. Nearly all beginners believe there is an easy all-in-one solution. So what!? It's a starting place. Let 'em stumble before they walk and try to get them headed in a good direction. Give 'em training wheels. They'll either figure it out on their own or quit when they realize all that is involved. Or, be a dick about it. Then guys like me are gonna show up and call ya on it. Your choice.

My only point here is that these type of "it depends" answers help NO ONE! They are not insightful in the least so, why bother with them? They only make a point that no one (except for those who already agree) is listening to anyway. Why waste everyone's time? Boredom and a petty need to irritate others are the only acceptable (albeit valid) answers.

Till' next time...

[JuliánFernández]

Originally Posted by NL5

http://homerecording.com/bbs/showthread.php?t=186304

Thanks again!