I need Advice. All answers welcome.

[RoyalBeatz07]

I have a standard 2 car garage. I'm looking to build myself an 8'x8'x8' seperate room. I was going about it in my plans as framing up the walls, and hanging drywall up on the walls, roof, and even the floor. I would then tape and mud the drywall, hoping that would soundproof my garage enough to please me neighbors when I play my drumset. If that would not be enough to work there is material called QuietRock sheetrock which, depending on the grade, is equivalent to 8 sheets of drywall. They have comparative audio, for before and after, dampening the sound of a concert. I am looking to work with a small budget(Home Depot Card) hoping that just the drywall with be sufficient. Anyone with any knowledge that an help me acheive my goal of dampening the drumset by building a room in my garage would be awesome. Thanks in advance.
RB07

[bpape]

First of all, please don't build a perfectly cubic 8x8x8 room. You'll have so much modal buildup - especially with drums, that it'll not be a good place that you'll want to spend a lot of time in.

If you really want some isolation and on a small budget, 2-3 layers of drywall is your best bet. The Quiet Rock is OK but to get those out of this world specs they claim, you need to buy stuff that's ridiciulously expensive and is so heavy that it's almost impossible to move around and work with. 2-3 layers of drywall is less than 1/2 the cost and much easier to work with.

For a little extra isolation, you can use 1x2 firring strips perpendicular to the wall studs and ceiling joists and attach the drywall to that.

You'll need to caulk everything tight, box around any and all holes for outlets, switches, etc. with sealed MDF, etc. Remember, it's like an aquarium - doesn't matter where or how big the hole is, you'll get wet...

Bryan

[Supercreep]

I found this article helpful:

http://members.aol.com/magaz15522/studioarticle1.html

[Dogman]

I have a 12X12 room...2x6 walls, and LOTS of insulation....and the neighbors can still hear my drums. They are over 100 feet away. Insulate as best you can within the walls, and also inside the room.

[Rod Gervais]

Originally Posted by Dogman

I have a 12X12 room...2x6 walls, and LOTS of insulation....and the neighbors can still hear my drums. They are over 100 feet away. Insulate as best you can within the walls, and also inside the room.

And that is because you don't understand acoustic isolation -

all the insulation in the world - placed inside the walls and inside the room - is not going to give you squat for isolation -

You need MASS - MASS - MORE MASS and large AIR SPRINGS +++++ You need to DECOUPLE your room from the frame of the building - either through the use of a room within a room - or some sort of resilient channel system........

Someone gave you a bad bit of advice - and you followed it - I am sorry man.......that sucks.......... but now it's time for you to stop spouting the bull that got you in trouble - and for you to learn what you have to do to get it right............

I say this because if the original poster did what you suggest - he'll be saying the same thing when he's all done that you're saying now............

Sincerely,

Rod

[Dogman]

Originally Posted by Rod Gervais

And that is because you don't understand acoustic isolation -

all the insulation in the world - placed inside the walls and inside the room - is not going to give you squat for isolation -

You need MASS - MASS - MORE MASS and large AIR SPRINGS +++++ You need to DECOUPLE your room from the frame of the building - either through the use of a room within a room - or some sort of resilient channel system........

Someone gave you a bad bit of advice - and you followed it - I am sorry man.......that sucks.......... but now it's time for you to stop spouting the bull that got you in trouble - and for you to learn what you have to do to get it right............

I say this because if the original poster did what you suggest - he'll be saying the same thing when he's all done that you're saying now............

Sincerely,

Rod

Umm....my drums are inside a bedroom inside my house. My advice is so he'd know that drums are loud, and neighbors will most likely hear them unless he does a bit more than simple insulation.

If you have something to say, share it with the original poster. I don't give a fuck about my setup.

[Supercreep]

LOLz.

I guess Rick is here in spirit, if not in person.

[Supercreep]

Originally Posted by Rod Gervais

all the insulation in the world - placed inside the walls and inside the room - is not going to give you squat for isolation -

I dunno Rod. All the insulation in the world is an awful lot of fiberglass. I have to think several miles of fiberglass would probably perform pretty well.

[Rod Gervais]

Originally Posted by Supercreep

I dunno Rod. All the insulation in the world is an awful lot of fiberglass. I have to think several miles of fiberglass would probably perform pretty well.

LOL..........

nah - it breathes too easy.........

Rod

[Rod Gervais]

Originally Posted by Dogman

Umm....my drums are inside a bedroom inside my house. My advice is so he'd know that drums are loud, and neighbors will most likely hear them unless he does a bit more than simple insulation.

If you have something to say, share it with the original poster. I don't give a fuck about my setup.

Dog,

the reason I said what I said was because you were giving advice to someone that wouldn't help them - it could only cost them money.......

Your advice was bad......... it would not - could not - help him with his problem.

I shared it with you because you were the one giving the advice - thinking that perhaps you would learn to learn somemore before you present yourself as knowledgable.

And yes - when you present something as fact (even though you don't know it to be so) you are allowing people to think that you have some expertise in what you say...... people who aren't experts generally start off the advice they give by saying things like:

"I'm no expert - and the experts will correct me if I'm wrong - but my advice would be........."

Those people I have nothing but respect for.

Sincerely,

Rod

[Rod Gervais]

Originally Posted by RoyalBeatz07

I have a standard 2 car garage. I'm looking to build myself an 8'x8'x8' seperate room. I was going about it in my plans as framing up the walls, and hanging drywall up on the walls, roof, and even the floor. I would then tape and mud the drywall, hoping that would soundproof my garage enough to please me neighbors when I play my drumset. If that would not be enough to work there is material called QuietRock sheetrock which, depending on the grade, is equivalent to 8 sheets of drywall. They have comparative audio, for before and after, dampening the sound of a concert. I am looking to work with a small budget(Home Depot Card) hoping that just the drywall with be sufficient. Anyone with any knowledge that an help me acheive my goal of dampening the drumset by building a room in my garage would be awesome. Thanks in advance.
RB07

Royal,

First off - you need to give us more information.

how far away is this neighbor you are concerned with.

What is the existing construction in your garage?

Then you have to pay attention to Bryan - what he said is true - forget squares and cubes - they are modal nightmares...........

forget quietrock - it does work - but it cannot give the isolation that an equivilent expenditure in standard drywall will yield. In fact - it can't come anywhere near to the performance of drywall with green glue - for less than 1/3 the cost.

So fill in some of the holes for us please.

Rod

[Dogman]

Originally Posted by Rod Gervais

Dog,

the reason I said what I said was because you were giving advice to someone that wouldn't help them - it could only cost them money.......

Your advice was bad......... it would not - could not - help him with his problem.

Ok, but how is my advice bad? Putting insulation within the walls, and then treating his room would help dampen the noise that is within that room. That does not seem like bad advice to me.....unless I am missing something here. You don't build something like this withou using some form of insulation.

[Rod Gervais]

Originally Posted by Dogman

Ok, but how is my advice bad? Putting insulation within the walls, and then treating his room would help dampen the noise that is within that room. That does not seem like bad advice to me.....unless I am missing something here. You don't build something like this withou using some form of insulation.

You sure are missing something here.......

He asked for advice to acheive a goal he was establishing - specifically:

"soundproof my garage enough to please me neighbors when I play my drumset."

Your response was exactly this:

"Insulate as best you can within the walls, and also inside the room."

Your advice can never acheive his goal........ but your manner of offering the advice certainly suggest that it is a method of acheiving that goal.

It is therefor bad advice.

Had you stated something to the effect of:

"Well one piece of the puzzle would be to insulate the inside of the walls well - and then you will also have to put some sort of treatment in the room to make it sound OK"

I would have left you alone..........

Advice that a poster presents as if it were complete (in and of itself) when it is (in fact) not complete - is (in and of itself) bad advice - even if it might be one part of good advice if it was presented properly.

Sincerely,

Rod Gervais

[jrhager84]

^ You make my head hurt....lol

[undergroundtoon]

Originally Posted by Supercreep

LOLz.

I guess Rick is here in spirit, if not in person.

ha

[undergroundtoon]

Originally Posted by Rod Gervais

You sure are missing something here.......

He asked for advice to acheive a goal he was establishing - specifically:

"soundproof my garage enough to please me neighbors when I play my drumset."

Your response was exactly this:

"Insulate as best you can within the walls, and also inside the room."

no, his first post was

"I have a 12X12 room...2x6 walls, and LOTS of insulation....and the neighbors can still hear my drums. They are over 100 feet away. Insulate as best you can within the walls, and also inside the room."

translation from the perspective of a crack head hippie(me).........

dude, you aint gonna make a soundproof room. that takes like mad mass....tons of it. thick ass walls and some space inbetween them. your talking mad ass money and weight.....so what i did was shuve some glass in the wall. i packed that shit in and it cut down the sound lots, but yo, the neighbors can still hear me. so do your best to do what ya can on your budget to cut down sound.
peace yo!

i didnt read him coming off like he was telling him it was the correct way to do it with an unlimited budget and manpower. just the way he did it and his personal results....

[undergroundtoon]

Originally Posted by Dogman

Ok, but how is my advice bad? Putting insulation within the walls, and then treating his room would help dampen the noise that is within that room. That does not seem like bad advice to me.....unless I am missing something here. You don't build something like this withou using some form of insulation.

you aint missing nothing.................

confucius says:
a man that cannot control his temper will find a fight around every corner

[undergroundtoon]

so instead of fighting lets post up some more links that may help....

[Supercreep]

Originally Posted by Rod Gervais

You sure are missing something here.......

He asked for advice to acheive a goal he was establishing - specifically:

"soundproof my garage enough to please me neighbors when I play my drumset."

Your response was exactly this:

"Insulate as best you can within the walls, and also inside the room."

Your advice can never acheive his goal........ but your manner of offering the advice certainly suggest that it is a method of acheiving that goal.

It is therefor bad advice.

Had you stated something to the effect of:

"Well one piece of the puzzle would be to insulate the inside of the walls well - and then you will also have to put some sort of treatment in the room to make it sound OK"

I would have left you alone..........

Advice that a poster presents as if it were complete (in and of itself) when it is (in fact) not complete - is (in and of itself) bad advice - even if it might be one part of good advice if it was presented properly.

Sincerely,

Rod Gervais

Rod, that's not what I got from Dogman's post. I understood that Dogman has heavier than average construction, and still the neighbors hear his drums. The upshot is that his construction is inadequate to the task. Dogman has never presented himself as an expert, and is probably the coolest dude you could ever hope to meet.

You are an expert, and we really appreciate you taking the time to elucidate for us; this stuff is pretty heady.

[Dogman]

Originally Posted by Rod Gervais

You sure are missing something here.......

He asked for advice to acheive a goal he was establishing - specifically:

"soundproof my garage enough to please me neighbors when I play my drumset."

Your response was exactly this:

"Insulate as best you can within the walls, and also inside the room."

Your advice can never acheive his goal........ but your manner of offering the advice certainly suggest that it is a method of acheiving that goal.

It is therefor bad advice.

Had you stated something to the effect of:

"Well one piece of the puzzle would be to insulate the inside of the walls well - and then you will also have to put some sort of treatment in the room to make it sound OK"

I would have left you alone..........

Advice that a poster presents as if it were complete (in and of itself) when it is (in fact) not complete - is (in and of itself) bad advice - even if it might be one part of good advice if it was presented properly.

Sincerely,

Rod Gervais

Dude, if you were any smarter, you'd be a hammer.

[Dogman]

Originally Posted by undergroundtoon

no, his first post was

"I have a 12X12 room...2x6 walls, and LOTS of insulation....and the neighbors can still hear my drums. They are over 100 feet away. Insulate as best you can within the walls, and also inside the room."

translation from the perspective of a crack head hippie(me).........

dude, you aint gonna make a soundproof room. that takes like mad mass....tons of it. thick ass walls and some space inbetween them. your talking mad ass money and weight.....so what i did was shuve some glass in the wall. i packed that shit in and it cut down the sound lots, but yo, the neighbors can still hear me. so do your best to do what ya can on your budget to cut down sound.
peace yo!

i didnt read him coming off like he was telling him it was the correct way to do it with an unlimited budget and manpower. just the way he did it and his personal results....

You....you're smarter than a hammer. For a dummy, you seemed to get what was said.....

[undergroundtoon]

Originally Posted by Dogman

You....you're smarter than a hammer. For a dummy, you seemed to get what was said.....

ha...lol......i was short bus skewled

[Rod Gervais]

Originally Posted by Dogman

You....you're smarter than a hammer. For a dummy, you seemed to get what was said.....

LOL....... NO - he didn't get what was said.......... he read way beyond what was said......

The way I read your post would suggest to me that you just didn't go far enough........

You didn't get the results - but if he stuffs enough inside and out.........

Me - I am a literalist - I read exactly what you say - and believe you to be intelligent enough to say exactly what you mean.........

If someone needs an interperter to decipher your sentences - something is wrong with the wording.

But that's ok - I won't waste any more energy on this - I am certain (well before now) that the original poster realized that he wouldn't find any value in his efforts by taking the "stuff it with insulation" approach.

My guess would be that he is gathering the requested information so we might better assist him........

So I will quietly await his return.........

[punkin]

Who let the Dog out

You guys are bitchin' about the same thing...that's the way I read it.

I read that doggieman was discussing treatment and the modal problems and how typical construction won't get the job done (cuz he plays like my son does...where' the tylenol?) While Rod is doing hammer time with mass and decoupling.

Same thing, differently stated.

Ok...off with the shirts and a big hug. Ok...leave the shirts on if you want



Would someone PLEASE kiss my ass? I'm not feeling nearly enough love here.

[60's guy]

The problem here is that some of you aren't willing to acknowledge that Rod knows what he's talking about.

WTF is the problem here?

I built a vocal booth in my basement studio. It's totally decoupled from the main house with exception of the basement floor.

My booth is single wall construction (heavily insulated).

I can run an 85 dB sound source within that booth and read a 60 dB level at 6 feet away outside of the booth even with leakage from poor door sealage.

My neighbors never hear what I'm doing.

Pay attention, Dogman.

You might learn something.