RNP Burn In Time?

[up-fiddler]

I just bought a new RNP ****adeptly dodges flames**** and was wondering thoughts on burn-in times. The manufacturer recs 5 minutes but I read somewhere that a burn in of 24 hours produced even better sound. Anybody out there with an RNP and thoughts on the matter of burn-in? Mine is plugged in now but I was going to try it out yet today.

[mixsit]

Originally Posted by up-fiddler

... The manufacturer recs 5 minutes but I read somewhere that a burn in of 24 hours produced even better sound.

I read somewhere this guy 'knows'. If you know what I mean..


Besides, by the time you get done mullin' this one over...

[up-fiddler]

Originally Posted by mixsit

Besides, by the time you get done mullin' this one over...

Agreed. It's been on with two condensers hooked up (Phantom) just over an hour now. I am going to start tracking right after lunch.

[scrubs]

What exactly are you "burning in" on the RNP?

[NL5]

Not sure why you would need to "burn in" an RNP. Tubes need a bit to warm up, but there ain't none in an RNP.

[Kevin Deschwazi]

Burn-in in the testing sense should already have been carried out by the manufacturer.

As for improving the sound of the thing by leaving it on for a while? Make a recording having just switched it on. Then make another having had it on for an hour or so.

Notice any difference?

Nah, didn't think so.

I use a valve pre and the valves get hot in the time it takes me to plug a mic into it. I don't go for this "burn in" nonsense, even for valve gear.

[MOFO Pro]

I suggest pre-heating the oven at 375 degrees for about 10 mins... then slow cook for about an hour... use a meat thermometer for more accuracy

[up-fiddler]

Originally Posted by Kevin Deschwazi

As for improving the sound of the thing by leaving it on for a while? Make a recording having just switched it on. Then make another having had it on for an hour or so.

Notice any difference?

Nah, didn't think so.

Yeah, I tried yesterday and if there is a difference it is so subtle that my ears can't hear it. Some others had talked about a 'sweetening' or 'warming' of the sound after leaving the unit on for 24 hours. I didn't notice any difference today either. The unit is nice, but it didn't get nicer.

[cusebassman]

Originally Posted by Kevin Deschwazi

Burn-in in the testing sense should already have been carried out by the manufacturer.

As for improving the sound of the thing by leaving it on for a while? Make a recording having just switched it on. Then make another having had it on for an hour or so.

Notice any difference?

Nah, didn't think so.

I use a valve pre and the valves get hot in the time it takes me to plug a mic into it. I don't go for this "burn in" nonsense, even for valve gear.

The only time I noticed this at all, even with valves, was when I swapped out the 6922 in my Rode K2 from the stock tube. When I first started using the new tube, even after having the mic on for an hour+, it sounded basically the same as the stock tube (and the new one was a NOS Telefunken, very nice, or so I thought) - but then I left the mic on for a good 24 hours, and afterward had to shut it off to move to another room. When I turned it back on hours later, the sound had noticeable changed, much "warmer" sound - that is, it didn't have the tinny highend that the stock tube had, that the 'funken also had when I first put it in.

[Kevin Deschwazi]

Originally Posted by cusebassman

The only time I noticed this at all, even with valves, was when I swapped out the 6922 in my Rode K2 from the stock tube. When I first started using the new tube, even after having the mic on for an hour+, it sounded basically the same as the stock tube (and the new one was a NOS Telefunken, very nice, or so I thought) - but then I left the mic on for a good 24 hours, and afterward had to shut it off to move to another room. When I turned it back on hours later, the sound had noticeable changed, much "warmer" sound - that is, it didn't have the tinny highend that the stock tube had, that the 'funken also had when I first put it in.

If we’re talking about initial burn-in of brand new components I would be a little more open minded and reserve judgement.

But it’s worth noting that you’d moved to another room. We all know how different the same mic can sound in different rooms.

[MOFO Pro]

Originally Posted by Kevin Deschwazi

But it’s worth noting that you’d moved to another room.

+1 --I caught that too.

Though I have heard some pretty convincing aurguments for a warm-up period for some classic tube mics, makes sense...

[FALKEN]

it will definitely sound better after burning. joints take longer than bongs.

[Robert D]

Just remember that excessive burn in periods lead to even longer burn out periods.

[punkin]

I think it's been covered but burn-in time is usually done to weed out the infant mortality before shipping. This is done during the post assembly/pre-packaging stage. To put burn-in on the customer's lap would simply be a bad idea.

Some components may continue to wear due to heat but that's not going to happen in a few minutes or even a few days. If the thing is made with close tolerance and high-quaility parts, I'd be you don't hear a difference for years. If there were things like crystal oscillators and tubes, then I'd buy into it just a bit.

[boingoman]

Originally Posted by up-fiddler

Yeah, I tried yesterday and if there is a difference it is so subtle that my ears can't hear it. Some others had talked about a 'sweetening' or 'warming' of the sound after leaving the unit on for 24 hours. I didn't notice any difference today either. The unit is nice, but it didn't get nicer.

Except for speakers, which take only a few minutes, burn-in is pretty much a myth.

[Obi-Wan zenabI]

Originally Posted by boingoman

Except for speakers, which take only a few minutes, burn-in is pretty much a myth.

There's a *lot* of talk out there about speaker burn in, though....

[Kevin Deschwazi]

There's a lot of talk about cable burn in too. There's even a company that takes your cables and plugs them into a special machine which speeds up the burning in process.

And they charge money for it.

I'm not even joking.

God I wish I was.

[mixsit]

Originally Posted by Kevin Deschwazi

There's a lot of talk about cable burn in too. There's even a company that takes your cables and plugs them into a special machine which speeds up the burning in process.

And they charge money for it.

I'm not even joking.

God I wish I was.

Good work if you can get it.

Huh. Would that still be 'work'..? taking peoples money to..

[COOLCAT]

other than temperature stabilization I don't get the burn in of a solid state device?

usually military grade devices can perform in a wide range of conditions, which we consider high quality generally. cheaper less "quality" maybe able to withstand 400hrs in the artic levels, or in the Sahara desert heat... but most don't need that kind of quality for something that sits in a home.

in mfg. a "burn-in" can be a wide range of tests, or stress type tests to quantify a specification or lack of....or in R&D to create a spec.

cpu's build up heat the more they are taxed with actions.....
the electrons running into each other create friction, heat....

maybe someone with component specific knowledge would explain the burn-in of the RNP?

have you tried singing really, really fast to see if the fuse blows?

[boingoman]

Originally Posted by COOLCAT

other than temperature stabilization I don't get the burn in of a solid state device?

Burn-in time is the time manufacturers recommend you listen to your new stuff to forget what your old stuff sounds like so you can convince yourself your new more expensive stuff sounds better.

The more expensive the new gear, the longer burn-in is required. Figure about 10 hours of burn-in for every doubling of price.

So- if you replace a $10 cable with a $100 cable, that's three doublings, so you'd need 30 hours of burn-in time.

[COOLCAT]

Are we supposed to feel "burnt" afterwards?

burn-in.... like my a-hole burns after buying $$$$ Monster cables...ahahahaaa

nevermind anything I post....thats my best advice.

[COOLCAT]

Originally Posted by up-fiddler

I just bought a new RNP ****adeptly dodges flames**** and was wondering thoughts on burn-in times. The manufacturer recs 5 minutes but I read somewhere that a burn in of 24 hours produced even better sound. Anybody out there with an RNP and thoughts on the matter of burn-in? Mine is plugged in now but I was going to try it out yet today.

I had to look this up (after re-reading the RNP manual).

Yes it states temperature stabilization and some comment about hi-current.
I didn't read anything other than getting the electronics to become stable and some led's turn on and off.

Manual does insinuate it's better warm.

too bad this thing wasn't the same price as the RNC... i wonder if its as good as the RNC is?

[Igor Alexander]

Originally Posted by up-fiddler

I just bought a new RNP ****adeptly dodges flames**** and was wondering thoughts on burn-in times. The manufacturer recs 5 minutes but I read somewhere that a burn in of 24 hours produced even better sound. Anybody out there with an RNP and thoughts on the matter of burn-in? Mine is plugged in now but I was going to try it out yet today.

I always thought that "burn-in" was an audiophile myth, like claims that this or that brand of overpriced cable can improve sound quality.

The only piece of audio gear I can think of that might benefit from a "burn-in" might be a new set of speakers.

How do you like the RNP? Was it worth the upgrade from whatever you were using before?

[Igor Alexander]

Originally Posted by boingoman

Burn-in time is the time manufacturers recommend you listen to your new stuff to forget what your old stuff sounds like so you can convince yourself your new more expensive stuff sounds better.

Ha ha ha! Good one. I'm giving you rep points for that.

[Rust E-Z]

This is more of warm up than a burn in.(isn't it?) Lot of studio gear works better after it warms up. This is just saying to turn it on 5 Min before you lay anything down. I've never really started laying down tracks in less than 12 min anyway, after finding the sweet spot for the mic and a couple of run troughs before a take you should be good to