midi tracks

[elicantu]

i am using an oxygen 49 and its picking up the midi and recording it. but im new to midi. so i wanted to know how i can put a midi instrument into it..i dont have any..i have protools 6.4 for the record.
is there any free midi instruments for protools? pianos preferably..
even if they are crappy..i just want to familiarize myself with it.

[elicantu]

...uh....anyone..?.. .......

[bennychico11]

http://digidesign.com/index.cfm?lang...75&itemid=5223

[elicantu]

thanks .. i'll try it out

[elicantu]

for some reason it didnt work..i think its because i have prootoos le 6.4
..anyone know how to make this work with 6.4?

[Trell Blaze]

Sorry man...I don't know too many people who use ProTools for MIDI (many say it sucks at that).

You might have better luck with something like Abelton, Cubase, Reason, or Logic (hudreds more I could name but I refuse )

Or you could wait till u get a reply from one of the ProTools experts around here. Personally I feel that ProTools (at least LE) is good for editing and editing only...

[xfinsterx]

There is a program that is free from digidesign called "Xpand"

Its got the pianos and strings etc etc. I believe you can download it or have them mail you a copy.

So first do that.

Then you can stick Xpand on an "AUX stereo" track and choose a sound.

Then make a midi track and set its output to look for Xpand (it will be in the midi tracks output menu...select it).
Didi i mention how important it is that your midi tracks output be set to the instrument you want it trigger>?

-Chris

[elicantu]

i went on the digidesign site but protools 6 is not supported ..and i cant find xpand 1.

ahhh

but thanks alot i'll keep looking for xpand 1

[Joseph Hanna]

Originally Posted by Trell Blaze

Sorry man...I don't know too many people who use ProTools for MIDI (many say it sucks at that).

Be careful here. I know you offered this advice in good faith but this kind of statement has clearly risen to web forum wives tale elite status.

Pro Tools midi is clearly not as deep as many other packages. It is however very, very capable. In fact I'm willing to bet it's more capable and deeper than most on this forum could EVER take advantage of.

Pro Tools midi simply does not suck. I've had Digital Performer as a front end to my PT rig for years and more and more I find myself staying exclusively in PT.

As to the original posters question I'm not aware of anything that is both PT 6.x compatible and free...

[xfinsterx]

Originally Posted by elicantu

i went on the digidesign site but protools 6 is not supported ..and i cant find xpand 1.

ahhh

but thanks alot i'll keep looking for xpand 1

Heres the link to have them send you a disc.

http://www.avidstore.com/us/index.cf...nufacturerid=3

As for you and 6.4........just pony up the dough for the 7.3 upgrade.

[elicantu]

its not the 7.3 that i cant get....its the digi 002 that i cant get...im 16 years old and i work 10 hours a week..do the math :-)

[Trell Blaze]

Originally Posted by Joseph Hanna

Be careful here. I know you offered this advice in good faith but this kind of statement has clearly risen to web forum wives tale elite status.

Pro Tools midi is clearly not as deep as many other packages. It is however very, very capable. In fact I'm willing to bet it's more capable and deeper than most on this forum could EVER take advantage of.

Pro Tools midi simply does not suck. I've had Digital Performer as a front end to my PT rig for years and more and more I find myself staying exclusively in PT.

As to the original posters question I'm not aware of anything that is both PT 6.x compatible and free...

Well I never said it was from personal experience. My brother uses ProTools LE mainly because he's so used to it (same reason I still use Cubase SX3). I've used it enough to know that, as an audio program, it's not that great. Not bad, but it's better for editing than anything else. The MIDI part, I have no personal experience with. Everyone that I know who has says it's terrible, but like you said, lots of gear gets this label simply because the user fails to dive deeper inside.

I've heard a few people say the Roland VS-2400 was useless until they hear what I'VE done with it...

[Trell Blaze]

Clarification...

When I said ProTools LE as an audio program wasn't that great, I SHOULD'VE phrased it: Digidesign interfaces (preamps and converters) aren't that great. Actually that kind of applies to their HD interfaces too...

[gAngsTa]

Man I really hope you know what the heck you were talking about.

[Joseph Hanna]

Originally Posted by Trell Blaze

Clarification...
Actually that kind of applies to their HD interfaces too...

What facts are you basing this statement on???

[Trell Blaze]

Originally Posted by Joseph Hanna

What facts are you basing this statement on???

First and foremost, my own ears. I've recorded through various Digidesign interfaces (LE and HD) and re-recorded the same stuff through non-digidesign units (and it was midi...so it was the same sound each time). As for converters, a simple Mytek unit won with no questions asked. I've also gone through SSL onboard preamps into Apogee converters and gotten noticably better results. No matter what the situation, when I bypassed any Digi-design units (and yea...i was STILL recording into ProTools), the sound got noticably better.

Other than that (as if I need any other reasons), I've heard the same thing said by many producers/engineers on all levels...

[elicantu]

midi.... rtas ....free....anyone...protools 6.4?

[bennychico11]

Originally Posted by Trell Blaze

First and foremost, my own ears. I've recorded through various Digidesign interfaces (LE and HD) and re-recorded the same stuff through non-digidesign units (and it was midi...so it was the same sound each time). As for converters, a simple Mytek unit won with no questions asked. I've also gone through SSL onboard preamps into Apogee converters and gotten noticably better results. No matter what the situation, when I bypassed any Digi-design units (and yea...i was STILL recording into ProTools), the sound got noticably better.

Other than that (as if I need any other reasons), I've heard the same thing said by many producers/engineers on all levels...

so you're saying using better preamps and a converters from a company who makes dedicated converters, sounds better than a company who makes a more all in one unit with software included?
you don't say!

[Trell Blaze]

Originally Posted by bennychico11

so you're saying using better preamps and a converters from a company who makes dedicated converters, sounds better than a company who makes a more all in one unit with software included?
you don't say!

He asked if I had facts to support my opinion. I gave em what I had.

There's a lot of people out there who live and die by Digidesign products. Not saying that they don't make great stuff...just that the ProTools system is not king of the recording world because of its sound.

Try reading the post I was responding to before you turn on your sarcasm...

[bennychico11]

Originally Posted by Trell Blaze

Try reading the post I was responding to before you turn on your sarcasm...

I did.
The original poster was asking about MIDI
and your response to Joseph Hanna's comment about your original post also had to do with MIDI...nothing to do with the "sound" of PTLE or PT HD/TDM's converters or preamps.


I'm just saying the majority of us didn't buy Digi products because we love their hardware so much. Their LE line is more in the middle of the pack when it comes to converters/preamps. And their HD units are purchased more because of the TDM processing capabilities (as well as the extra I/O and features for HD). I mean even Digi offered a Digital I/O for those not wanting to use their front end. But it's the software we like so much.

Besides I think the argument of converters and preamps is starting to get as old as the sample rate argument. Or which dither algorithm you prefer. It's so minute when compared to more important things like room acoustics.

http://digidesign.com/index.cfm?lang...9&itemid=25669

[Trell Blaze]

Originally Posted by Joseph Hanna

Originally Posted by Trell Blaze
Clarification...
Actually that kind of applies to their HD interfaces too...

What facts are you basing this statement on???

That's where the interface/converter thing came from. Granted, the original statement was off topic, but he asked for further explination...

The fact that it's world famous because of it's software (not it's audio or midi capabilities) was the point I was trying to make from the start.

The great debate on converters, I agree, is one that will never end...

My new Presonus Firebox probably sports the best set of converters I've owned yet...despite this I've never had a complaint about my recordings/mixes/productions from any of my fans (not that I have millions...lol)

[ssscientist]

Originally Posted by Trell Blaze

My new Presonus Firebox probably sports the best set of converters I've owned yet...

Trell Blaze, you're WAY over your head here.

I have a Firebox too and the converters are solid that's about all.

Work in a big studio with a serious PT or Logic or DP or Cubase or Nuendo or Sonar or Vegas setup, see what real Apogee converters and top of the line outboard gear can do for digital audio and then you can add your opinion to a thread like this.

In September 2007 we're betwixt and between, and until a new higher resolution CD / DVD / HDD is settled upon and released by the powers that be the difference between what you hear in a pro studio and what ends up being dithered down to a 16-bit 20+ year old format is huge.


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[Trell Blaze]

Originally Posted by ssscientist

Trell Blaze, you're WAY over your head here.

I have a Firebox too and the converters are solid that's about all.

Work in a big studio with a serious PT or Logic or DP or Cubase or Nuendo or Sonar or Vegas setup, see what real Apogee converters and top of the line outboard gear can do for digital audio and then you can add your opinion to a thread like this.

In September 2007 we're betwixt and between, and until a new higher resolution CD / DVD / HDD is settled upon and released by the powers that be the difference between what you hear in a pro studio and what ends up being dithered down to a 16-bit 20+ year old format is huge.


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Wow...I guess you didn't see the part where I said they're the best set of converters that i've OWNED....as in....I PAID MONEY FOR THEM AND NOW THEY'RE MINE. I've recorded in SEVERAL state of the art facilities and I'm very well aware of Apogee...i WISH i had a few Apogee units.

I am new to this board but I am NOT ameture so stop talking to me like one....eh?

[Joseph Hanna]

Originally Posted by Trell Blaze

I am new to this board but I am NOT ameture so stop talking to me like one....eh?

I'm glad your here and of course your opinion is welcome. It is after all what makes these forums tick.

With all due respect.

You perhaps would do better to phrase your ideas as opinions not facts. You well may like Mytek or Apogee converters or SSL's much better than Digi's 192 and I'll defend your right and your ears to do so. But I'll guarantee you there are plenty of folks in the industry who really love their 192's and do STELLAR work with them.

You came right out and stated for the record "Digidesign HD interfaces aren't that great" That's a bold comment and it's bound to raise some hackles.

That said these forums are riddled with bad information and banter that helps no one. When you position your opinions as facts it aggravates some and confuses others and honestly it's a bit amateurish. This is a home recording forum and some folks here just haven't been around long enough to know how to seperate the fact from the wives tales......so give em a break

[ssscientist]

Originally Posted by Trell Blaze

I am new to this board but I am NOT ameture so stop talking to me like one....eh?

And you're a very good speller!

Or does that offend you too?


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