Home Recording

Go Back   Home Recording > General Discussions > Analog Only


        

                                
                                10/30 - [video] Demo Roland TD-20SX
Reply    Audiofanzine Recorder-multitrack Recorder-multitrack News Recorder-multitrack Medias Recorder-multitrack Tests Recorder-multitrack Articles Recorder-multitrack User Reviews Recorder-multitrack Classifieds Ads
 
Thread Tools Display Modes
  #1  
Old 07-09-2007
amphony amphony is offline
Newbie
 
Join Date: Jan 2006
Posts: 23
Rep Power: 0
amphony is on a distinguished road
Re-record over 456???

How many times can I re-record over 456 1/2" before I start noticing a difference?
Reply With Quote
  #2  
Old 07-09-2007
MCI2424's Avatar
MCI2424 MCI2424 is offline
1K Silver Member
 
Join Date: Oct 2005
Posts: 1,572
Rep Power: 133019
MCI2424 has a reputation beyond reputeMCI2424 has a reputation beyond reputeMCI2424 has a reputation beyond reputeMCI2424 has a reputation beyond reputeMCI2424 has a reputation beyond reputeMCI2424 has a reputation beyond reputeMCI2424 has a reputation beyond reputeMCI2424 has a reputation beyond reputeMCI2424 has a reputation beyond reputeMCI2424 has a reputation beyond reputeMCI2424 has a reputation beyond repute
Quote:
Originally Posted by amphony View Post
How many times can I re-record over 456 1/2" before I start noticing a difference?
As many times as you can count (until the tape sounds bad and has tons of dropouts)
__________________
"Tascam, Fostex or Studers don't make hit records...........people do"
MCI2424 - 2007
Reply With Quote
  #3  
Old 07-09-2007
Hi_Flyer Hi_Flyer is offline
Force of Nature
 
Join Date: May 2005
Location: Pittsburgh
Age: 33
Posts: 635
Rep Power: 4575
Hi_Flyer has a reputation beyond reputeHi_Flyer has a reputation beyond reputeHi_Flyer has a reputation beyond reputeHi_Flyer has a reputation beyond reputeHi_Flyer has a reputation beyond reputeHi_Flyer has a reputation beyond reputeHi_Flyer has a reputation beyond reputeHi_Flyer has a reputation beyond reputeHi_Flyer has a reputation beyond reputeHi_Flyer has a reputation beyond reputeHi_Flyer has a reputation beyond repute
does it help to use a bulk eraser before re-recording? i think I am starting to get some dropouts on 456 that has only been recorded over a couple times.
Reply With Quote
  #4  
Old 07-12-2007
MCI2424's Avatar
MCI2424 MCI2424 is offline
1K Silver Member
 
Join Date: Oct 2005
Posts: 1,572
Rep Power: 133019
MCI2424 has a reputation beyond reputeMCI2424 has a reputation beyond reputeMCI2424 has a reputation beyond reputeMCI2424 has a reputation beyond reputeMCI2424 has a reputation beyond reputeMCI2424 has a reputation beyond reputeMCI2424 has a reputation beyond reputeMCI2424 has a reputation beyond reputeMCI2424 has a reputation beyond reputeMCI2424 has a reputation beyond reputeMCI2424 has a reputation beyond repute
Quote:
Originally Posted by Hi_Flyer View Post
does it help to use a bulk eraser before re-recording? i think I am starting to get some dropouts on 456 that has only been recorded over a couple times.

Try another tape if possible. I have had a few reels of 456 years ago that had dropouts right out of the box.

Never competely rely on any tape off the bat. I have chased these "Deck problems" for days only to find that the tape was the culprit.

If the tape is good, look at transport alignment and see if the tape is centered on the heads, the tape makes good intimate contact with the heads, guides and rollers/capstan are all round and working smoothly and the head wear is not skewed.

Systematic and logical approach will finf the problem.

Also:

Clean the heads and demag if you know how. If you don't know the right way to demag, you could really screw up the heads.
__________________
"Tascam, Fostex or Studers don't make hit records...........people do"
MCI2424 - 2007
Reply With Quote
  #5  
Old 07-12-2007
evm1024's Avatar
evm1024 evm1024 is offline
1K Silver Member
 
Join Date: Jun 2005
Location: On top of Aconcagua
Posts: 1,263
Rep Power: 1404476
evm1024 has a reputation beyond reputeevm1024 has a reputation beyond reputeevm1024 has a reputation beyond reputeevm1024 has a reputation beyond reputeevm1024 has a reputation beyond reputeevm1024 has a reputation beyond reputeevm1024 has a reputation beyond reputeevm1024 has a reputation beyond reputeevm1024 has a reputation beyond reputeevm1024 has a reputation beyond reputeevm1024 has a reputation beyond repute
1/2" tape....

Quote:
Originally Posted by Hi_Flyer View Post
does it help to use a bulk eraser before re-recording? i think I am starting to get some dropouts on 456 that has only been recorded over a couple times.

Dropouts are caused by mechanical problems. Loss of tape to head contact due to transport misalignment, dirt lifting the tape slightly, shed, "bare" spots on the tape. And as mechanical problems bulk erasing will do nothing. So the first thing to do is to be sure that everything mechanical is aligned, tensioned properly and clean (did I say clean?) CLEAN. this includes the tape.

Being that you are using 1/2" tape I presume that you have an 8 track deck. Bulk erasing restores the tape to a magnetically neutral state. Wiped clean if you will. This is an advantage when starting fresh on the tape.

By having a magnetically clean tape you do not have to worry about crosstalk from the leftover drums on track 2 when bouncing etc.

Bulk ereasure also prints a consistent noise floor on the tape.
__________________
In Sunny Vancouver ..... (Washington)
Reply With Quote
  #6  
Old 07-12-2007
Hi_Flyer Hi_Flyer is offline
Force of Nature
 
Join Date: May 2005
Location: Pittsburgh
Age: 33
Posts: 635
Rep Power: 4575
Hi_Flyer has a reputation beyond reputeHi_Flyer has a reputation beyond reputeHi_Flyer has a reputation beyond reputeHi_Flyer has a reputation beyond reputeHi_Flyer has a reputation beyond reputeHi_Flyer has a reputation beyond reputeHi_Flyer has a reputation beyond reputeHi_Flyer has a reputation beyond reputeHi_Flyer has a reputation beyond reputeHi_Flyer has a reputation beyond reputeHi_Flyer has a reputation beyond repute
thanks. thats the kind of info I was looking for. with tape being so expensive I'm trying to re-use it... I think there are a few issues with the transport on my deck, I am taking it to tech next week.
Reply With Quote
Reply



Currently Active Users Viewing This Thread: 1 (0 members and 1 guests)
 
Thread Tools
Display Modes

Posting Rules
You may not post new threads
You may not post replies
You may not post attachments
You may not edit your posts

BB code is On
Smilies are On
[IMG] code is On
HTML code is Off

Forum Jump
Google
 

Similar Threads
Thread Thread Starter Forum Replies Last Post
Why Not Start Your own record company? JaQsonA1 Marketing Your Music / Publicity 93 07-17-2006 12:35
can any vf160 users explain BUSS recording? getupkid0717 Fostex Forum 2 07-26-2005 21:46
HELP! Can't record midi & audio together! [Sonar 4] djmemory Cakewalk / Sonar Forum 7 05-31-2005 00:57
FOSTEX MR8: ONLY for guitarists who DON'T use Amp & Mics to record, and USE V-AMP 2 crgl Fostex Forum 4 04-13-2005 18:43
How do I record without losing quality? DVZON Digital Recording & Computers 12 11-07-2002 07:38


All times are GMT -7. The time now is 23:23.


Powered by: vBulletin
Copyright ©2000 - 2009, Jelsoft Enterprises Ltd.
Copyright © 1995-2008 Audiofanzine except where noted. All Rights Reserved.