Poll: Should MCI2424 be banned

[evm1024]

A quick poll to see if Andy (MCI2424) should be banned again. Cast your vote and let the chips fly. Oh, Might as well as make a comment for or against.

[MartyMcFly]

I voted "The Dude is Evil...

[raven46]

Originally Posted by evm1024

A quick poll to see if Andy (MCI2424) should be banned again. Cast your vote and let the chips fly. Oh, Might as well as make a comment for or against.

who is he......

[zed32]

i voted for the last one, but i was actually just kidding.

[lbanks]

Ban Him! (who is he?)

[MadAudio]

That does it. I'm getting my Tascam 38 fixed. I had no idea there was any drama in this forum.

[jjones1700]

Originally Posted by MadAudio

That does it. I'm getting my Tascam 38 fixed. I had no idea there was any drama in this forum.

Lots of it in the past week.

[The Ghost of FM]

Originally Posted by MadAudio;

I had no idea there was any drama in this forum.

You've obviously missed the walters threads in here!

I live for those!

Cheers!

[MadAudio]

Originally Posted by The Ghost of FM

You've obviously missed the walters threads in here!

I live for those!

Cheers!

Speak of the devil and he shall appear, isn't that the phrase?

I hope Ed is asleep right now......

[Tim Gillett]

Originally Posted by evm1024

A quick poll to see if Andy (MCI2424) should be banned again. Cast your vote and let the chips fly. Oh, Might as well as make a comment for or against.

Framing the question that way, even raising at all, puts all the focus on him and not on the other half of the question which is one Timothy Beck, long time member of this forum.

It's like leading questions in a court like, "when did you stop beating your wife?"
A fair and impartial poll would mention both people equally and thereby present the issue impartially. You've already twisted and prejudiced the issue before we start. Dont you have any understanding of fair procedure and due process? If you were "the accused' how would you feel?
evm, as a senior member of this forum and of society, shouldnt you know better? Did somebody put you up to this?
Try reframing the discussion in fair and impartial terms and we might have a chance of a fair and impartial discussion.
Someone could post a similar thread entitled "should Tim Beck be banned?" and of course there would be outrage, probably justifiably.

Tim G.

[Dr ZEE]

Originally Posted by Tim Gillett

If you were "the accused' how would you feel?

Tim G.

Not as bad as when being convicted without a trial at all, I suppose.
The individual behind user name MCI2424 and all of its shadows aka acorec and such has convicted members of this (AND! not only this) board as "little no-good hommy' knowing-no-crap bunch of losers". The individual behind MCI2424 has convicted the home recording community as a flock of such losers long before he/she made his/her first post. But that is only a half of the "story".
The notion, directed toward the community of independent recording enthusiasts, that the individual behind user name MCI2424 represents and agitates is simply despicable (for lack of better word).

btw, One has to actually be a passionate independent recording enthusiast to "feel" it A retiree from the "industry" or a wana'be an "industry-pro" would not know the difference. (Exceptions? - hmmmm - don't think so. I have my reasonings for why I don't think so. Here's one: "One can do both, but can't be both." ).

As for banning part I'd say this: for an individual like the one behind user name MCI2424 - no such thing as bad publicity.
so, hit it, Baby, it's Party Time!

/later

[evm1024]

Originally Posted by Tim Gillett

Framing the question that way, even raising at all, puts all the focus on him and not on the other half of the question which is one Timothy Beck, long time member of this forum.

It's like leading questions in a court like, "when did you stop beating your wife?"
A fair and impartial poll would mention both people equally and thereby present the issue impartially. You've already twisted and prejudiced the issue before we start. Dont you have any understanding of fair procedure and due process? If you were "the accused' how would you feel?
evm, as a senior member of this forum and of society, shouldnt you know better? Did somebody put you up to this?
Try reframing the discussion in fair and impartial terms and we might have a chance of a fair and impartial discussion.
Someone could post a similar thread entitled "should Tim Beck be banned?" and of course there would be outrage, probably justifiably.

Tim G.

Hi Tim G.

I did think about putting it that way but did not want to get into a Tim back vs Andy competition. My poll is addressing Andy's posting habits and the general feeling of the folks who care to vote. Life is not fair, impartial or scientific and neither is this poll.

I had thought that I would post a Beck banning poll in a few days but I think that you should be the author of that. (No I'm really serious, it would be an interesting poll)

Regards

PS In a court of law they do start by saying that the accused is guilty of vile things and that they are going to prove that to the jury....

[Beck]

My question is how many user IDs does acorec (MCI2424) currently have and how many will he hastily create for the purpose of this poll.

I am not much for polls on an anonymous forum with no control over how many IDs a person can have at one time, but ok for fun.

And Tim G. for heaven sakes… I’m not the other side of the equation, the forum is. I think you show poor judgment and a lack of discernment when it comes to MCI and a few other things. Maybe you should go back and look at your first posts… how you came in blasting with both barrels and then you wonder why certain personalities reacted negatively. However I don’t think you should be banned… except when I have suspected that you are one of MCI’s alter egos, which I confess I have considered as a possibility. If you are not one of his other IDs, the most idiotic thing you have ever done is empathize with and defend an obvious troll. Where is you head?

Yes, I think MCI should be banned. But you have no idea what the individuals involved here have been through with him or how they have tried.

My initial involvement with acorec a couple years ago was when he was attacking another member. He wasn’t attacking me… it wasn’t about me. It still is not about me.

I privately appealed to him with a PM to please stop the harassment of one of the longtime members. He flatly refused saying, “No I have to get this guy” and only turned up the heat on the member in question. He was soon banned by Dragon for his conduct. One's conduct has to pretty outrageous to banned from HR.com. He then immediately setup a new account and continued the stalking. He was banned again very shortly. He then setup a third account, which was also banned. He set up all these accounts for the sole purpose of harassing and seeking revenge.

But there was no justification… it was he that started the conflict in the first place by arrogantly setting himself up as an “expert” and then attacking members here for having what in his mind was lesser equipment. His “contribution” can be summed up in “I’m a professional with professional equipment, and am therefore better.” But he wasn’t and isn’t, so only managed to string along a few newbies and send them in the wrong direction.

How would you want us to react? Since then he has singled out other members with this same line. His posts are full of misinformation and nonsense. As I said before, when he does post something useful he just repeats things we have said and claims he thought of them. He will do so in a lecturing tone to the very person he got the idea from in the first place! For Christ sakes a person can only take so much!

Those of us with true experience and education aren’t getting paid for this. It’s a miracle anyone with a unique contribution stays at all. A few members act as though they have some divine right to come here and get free consulting services, while taking knowledgeable members for granted… even biting the hand that feeds. MCI does that most of all.

But even that is neither here nor there. Dragon cleans house every once in a while and bans those that are trespassing on this website, which they are if they have been banned before under other IDs. MCI is living on borrowed time. He is behaving in the same way he always has. He uses this forum as a punching bag on a whim.

A couple members (maybe you too?) are like that person that you take to the movies and have to constantly tell them what’s happening because they can’t follow the plot. Yeah, that aggravates me. Even when it is explained to you in 3rd grade language you leave the theater having no idea what the hell just happened.

This is a huge forum and there are plenty of idiots… I mean real certifiable idiots with well below average IQs and everything that goes with that condition. I don’t think they should be banned, but I know the difference between the people here that have good motives, good sense and credibility and those that don’t. I’m sorry, but that’s just the way it is.

Now, go too it and start that poll… Should Beck be Banned?

[cjacek]

Originally Posted by Tim Gillett

the other half of the question which is one Timothy Beck, long time member of this forum.

<snip>

Someone could post a similar thread entitled "should Tim Beck be banned?"

Your statements cannot be any more ridiculous. Ludicrous, absolutely bizarre...

[The Ghost of FM]

Originally Posted by evm1024

A quick poll to see if Andy (MCI2424) should be banned again. Cast your vote and let the chips fly. Oh, Might as well as make a comment for or against.

On this BBS, at least, people are banned for spamming and for making grossly offensive racial/sexual references in the normal forms outside of the Cave though mostly its the spamming that will do it most quickly.

If there are people here you disagree with, just do your best to ignore them or put them on your ignore list in your User CP. Anything beyond that is pretty juvenile.

For the record, I don't mind MCI2424 or anyone else who comes here to this forum...there's so few of us analog enthusiasts left at this point that I find it really silly to drive people away from here and threads like this one tend to do that.

Cheers!

[Golden]

Originally Posted by The Ghost of FM

On this BBS, at least, people are banned for spamming and for making grossly offensive racial/sexual references in the normal forms outside of the Cave though mostly its the spamming that will do it most quickly.

If there are people here you disagree with, just do your best to ignore them or put them on your ignore list in your User CP. Anything beyond that is pretty juvenile.

For the record, I don't mind MCI2424 or anyone else who comes here to this forum...there's so few of us analog enthusiasts left at this point that I find it really silly to drive people away from here and threads like this one tend to do that.

Cheers!

I'm glad the ghost said it, cuz it's true as hell is hot.

[Beck]

Ghost and Golden…

I respect your opinions and input as always but…

First of all the issue is not about legitimate differences of opinion when it comes to MCI. It’s about a member pushing and provoking conflict for sport... a need born out of a festering self-inflicted wound that he blames some of us for. Short of that his greatest priority is image maintenance, and thus he will continue to attack and try to impeach knowledgeable, discerning members until the only members left are those that will buy into his charade. The olive branch has been tried by many, including me… he’s not interested.

Your perspective is fine if you are only concerned with how the forum impacts you. Part of the difference in our perspectives is that I have always had a big brother personality… no not big brother as the government, but big brother as in “Leave my little brother/sister alone or I will kick your ass.”

We may like to participate in discussions here because of our backgrounds in recording and fondness for analog, but many come here knowing almost nothing. New members don’t know who to put on their ignore list, or who to listen to and not listen to.

You may also see MCI as a legitimate analog enthusiast, in which case IMO you are among the few that he has successfully mislead. Your image of him is the one he has presented, so the biggest problem you see with him is that he’s a “Pro” on a home recording forum. When in fact he is a phony. Being a phony is not a capital offence on the web if only that were all, but add to that his wanton attacks on other members, including you over several years and… well, that’s a problem. However, IMO it’s a bigger problem when a community doesn’t respond.

Because of the things that have made us the people we are we don’t see the situation with the same eyes. I am still extraordinarily idealistic for my age and the things I’ve seen “Doctor my Eyes.” and perhaps try to make this forum more than it is… or do I? Again, it’s a matter of perspective.

This to me is a place as any other place… like in the old days where we would get together in person and discuss our interests in a club or pub or what have you.

If this is a community there is going to be a criminal element and crime statistics, even if that is only someone toilet papering your trees (figuratively speaking). But some are much more mean spirited and do greater harm than you think. Because they do no great harm to you is not a good enough reason to ignore them.

There is a fine line between live and let live and “"All that is necessary for the triumph of evil is that good men do nothing.”

You may be peacemakers or you may just not care, I dunno. Those two things can be easily confused. You may also have thicker skin, but that is a double-edged sword… you aren’t as vulnerable to mean-spirited trolls, but you may also be insensitive to those that are.

Your peacemaking sentiment is admirable only if it comes from a position of strength, sensitivity and a feeling of responsibility to the communities, Internet or otherwise, that you choose to be a part of. Indifference is none of these things.

You may feel the way you feel because you, me and about everyone else here has gone off at one time or another… you don’t feel able to cast a stone. I can understand that, but this is not “One of us” having a bad day… this is an individual that has consistently returned again and again as his user accounts are banned, to attack and sabotage the good work done here.

He is a power rapist that thinks himself abused when his victim has the nerve to fight back and scratches his face. He only sees his own blood and feels his own pain.

The town folk in a Clint Eastwood western that walk about with their heads down ignoring the town bullies aren’t peacemakers. Nor are the helpless future people in Orson Welles “The Time Machine.” They are people that don’t believe they have power to affect change in their circumstances and those of their neighbors, and in both stories don’t know that they should care about their neighbor’s circumstances. And just as in real life the one that does care about his neighbor’s circumstances is seen as the unreasonable rebel rouser. Art imitating life, to be sure.

In the social sciences we say, “You are who you talk to.” Perhaps we are partly the product of the movies we’ve seen, and hopefully we relate and connect to the right characters. Seen any good ones lately?

I’m afraid in the case of MCI he must have watched “Dirty Harry” (Or as I call it, “The feel good movie of 1971”) and found his soul mate in this guy…

[bloomboy]

I haven't been around here long enough to side (or to want to side, even) with anyone, but I do think that Tim makes a legitimate point. If MCI, or anyone for that matter, makes posts that are misleading, and does it repeatedly, I think it's arguable that it damages the BBS as a resource much more than simply flaming or starting arguments or any of the things we usually associate with wanton trolling. If someone does a search in order to try to solve a problem and finds an irrelevant flame war, it's just a waste of their time. But if they read and believe a piece of incorrect information, the results are much worse- anything from mildly problematic to disastrous. Little things can make a big difference- for instance, say someone responds to a post about head demagnetization by saying that you should always turn the demagnetizer on and off right next to the heads. This is an extreme example, but it could potentially cost people hundreds and hundreds of dollars.

Peace,
Theo

[MCI2424]

Originally Posted by Beck

Ghost and Golden…

I respect your opinions and input as always but…

First of all the issue is not about legitimate differences of opinion when it comes to MCI. It’s about a member pushing and provoking conflict for sport... a need born out of a festering self-inflicted wound that he blames some of us for. Short of that his greatest priority is image maintenance, and thus he will continue to attack and try to impeach knowledgeable, discerning members until the only members left are those that will buy into his charade. The olive branch has been tried by many, including me… he’s not interested.

Your perspective is fine if you are only concerned with how the forum impacts you. Part of the difference in our perspectives is that I have always had a big brother personality… no not big brother as the government, but big brother as in “Leave my little brother/sister alone or I will kick your ass.”

We may like to participate in discussions here because of our backgrounds in recording and fondness for analog, but many come here knowing almost nothing. New members don’t know who to put on their ignore list, or who to listen to and not listen to.

You may also see MCI as a legitimate analog enthusiast, in which case IMO you are among the few that he has successfully mislead. Your image of him is the one he has presented, so the biggest problem you see with him is that he’s a “Pro” on a home recording forum. When in fact he is a phony. Being a phony is not a capital offence on the web if only that were all, but add to that his wanton attacks on other members, including you over several years and… well, that’s a problem. However, IMO it’s a bigger problem when a community doesn’t respond.

Because of the things that have made us the people we are we don’t see the situation with the same eyes. I am still extraordinarily idealistic for my age and the things I’ve seen “Doctor my Eyes.” and perhaps try to make this forum more than it is… or do I? Again, it’s a matter of perspective.

This to me is a place as any other place… like in the old days where we would get together in person and discuss our interests in a club or pub or what have you.

If this is a community there is going to be a criminal element and crime statistics, even if that is only someone toilet papering your trees (figuratively speaking). But some are much more mean spirited and do greater harm than you think. Because they do no great harm to you is not a good enough reason to ignore them.

There is a fine line between live and let live and “"All that is necessary for the triumph of evil is that good men do nothing.”

You may be peacemakers or you may just not care, I dunno. Those two things can be easily confused. You may also have thicker skin, but that is a double-edged sword… you aren’t as vulnerable to mean-spirited trolls, but you may also be insensitive to those that are.

Your peacemaking sentiment is admirable only if it comes from a position of strength, sensitivity and a feeling of responsibility to the communities, Internet or otherwise, that you choose to be a part of. Indifference is none of these things.

You may feel the way you feel because you, me and about everyone else here has gone off at one time or another… you don’t feel able to cast a stone. I can understand that, but this is not “One of us” having a bad day… this is an individual that has consistently returned again and again as his user accounts are banned, to attack and sabotage the good work done here.

He is a power rapist that thinks himself abused when his victim has the nerve to fight back and scratches his face. He only sees his own blood and feels his own pain.

The town folk in a Clint Eastwood western that walk about with their heads down ignoring the town bullies aren’t peacemakers. Nor are the helpless future people in Orson Welles “The Time Machine.” They are people that don’t believe they have power to affect change in their circumstances and those of their neighbors, and in both stories don’t know that they should care about their neighbor’s circumstances. And just as in real life the one that does care about his neighbor’s circumstances is seen as the unreasonable rebel rouser. Art imitating life, to be sure.

In the social sciences we say, “You are who you talk to.” Perhaps we are partly the product of the movies we’ve seen, and hopefully we relate and connect to the right characters. Seen any good ones lately?

I’m afraid in the case of MCI he must have watched “Dirty Harry” (Or as I call it, “The feel good movie of 1971”) and found his soul mate in this guy…

Show me where I have been misleading or bashing anyone personally here?

You are the one who has to bash and when you don't get your way, you go right down the road to personal bashing. Dr. ZEE also. Say what you will, but leave me out of it.

[MCI2424]

Originally Posted by evm1024

Hi Tim G.

I did think about putting it that way but did not want to get into a Tim back vs Andy competition. My poll is addressing Andy's posting habits and the general feeling of the folks who care to vote. Life is not fair, impartial or scientific and neither is this poll.

I had thought that I would post a Beck banning poll in a few days but I think that you should be the author of that. (No I'm really serious, it would be an interesting poll)

Regards

PS In a court of law they do start by saying that the accused is guilty of vile things and that they are going to prove that to the jury....

Who appointed you king?

[Golden]

Has anyone read this thread? http://homerecording.com/bbs/showthread.php?t=242881

[The Ghost of FM]

Originally Posted by Beck

Ghost and Golden…

I respect your opinions and input as always but…

First of all the issue is not about legitimate differences of opinion when it comes to MCI. It’s about a member pushing and provoking conflict for sport... a need born out of a festering self-inflicted wound that he blames some of us for. Short of that his greatest priority is image maintenance, and thus he will continue to attack and try to impeach knowledgeable, discerning members until the only members left are those that will buy into his charade. The olive branch has been tried by many, including me… he’s not interested.

Your perspective is fine if you are only concerned with how the forum impacts you. Part of the difference in our perspectives is that I have always had a big brother personality… no not big brother as the government, but big brother as in “Leave my little brother/sister alone or I will kick your ass.”

We may like to participate in discussions here because of our backgrounds in recording and fondness for analog, but many come here knowing almost nothing. New members don’t know who to put on their ignore list, or who to listen to and not listen to.

You may also see MCI as a legitimate analog enthusiast, in which case IMO you are among the few that he has successfully mislead. Your image of him is the one he has presented, so the biggest problem you see with him is that he’s a “Pro” on a home recording forum. When in fact he is a phony. Being a phony is not a capital offence on the web if only that were all, but add to that his wanton attacks on other members, including you over several years and… well, that’s a problem. However, IMO it’s a bigger problem when a community doesn’t respond.

Because of the things that have made us the people we are we don’t see the situation with the same eyes. I am still extraordinarily idealistic for my age and the things I’ve seen “Doctor my Eyes.” and perhaps try to make this forum more than it is… or do I? Again, it’s a matter of perspective.

This to me is a place as any other place… like in the old days where we would get together in person and discuss our interests in a club or pub or what have you.

If this is a community there is going to be a criminal element and crime statistics, even if that is only someone toilet papering your trees (figuratively speaking). But some are much more mean spirited and do greater harm than you think. Because they do no great harm to you is not a good enough reason to ignore them.

There is a fine line between live and let live and “"All that is necessary for the triumph of evil is that good men do nothing.”

You may be peacemakers or you may just not care, I dunno. Those two things can be easily confused. You may also have thicker skin, but that is a double-edged sword… you aren’t as vulnerable to mean-spirited trolls, but you may also be insensitive to those that are.

Your peacemaking sentiment is admirable only if it comes from a position of strength, sensitivity and a feeling of responsibility to the communities, Internet or otherwise, that you choose to be a part of. Indifference is none of these things.

You may feel the way you feel because you, me and about everyone else here has gone off at one time or another… you don’t feel able to cast a stone. I can understand that, but this is not “One of us” having a bad day… this is an individual that has consistently returned again and again as his user accounts are banned, to attack and sabotage the good work done here.

He is a power rapist that thinks himself abused when his victim has the nerve to fight back and scratches his face. He only sees his own blood and feels his own pain.

The town folk in a Clint Eastwood western that walk about with their heads down ignoring the town bullies aren’t peacemakers. Nor are the helpless future people in Orson Welles “The Time Machine.” They are people that don’t believe they have power to affect change in their circumstances and those of their neighbors, and in both stories don’t know that they should care about their neighbor’s circumstances. And just as in real life the one that does care about his neighbor’s circumstances is seen as the unreasonable rebel rouser. Art imitating life, to be sure.

In the social sciences we say, “You are who you talk to.” Perhaps we are partly the product of the movies we’ve seen, and hopefully we relate and connect to the right characters. Seen any good ones lately?

I’m afraid in the case of MCI he must have watched “Dirty Harry” (Or as I call it, “The feel good movie of 1971”) and found his soul mate in this guy…

I don't come here specifically to be a peace-maker or as someone who doesn't care about the community here.

I come here to offer advice where I can and keep my mouth shut when I can't.

There were times in the past when I was so wanting to help as many people as I could that I would offer up half baked advice and then end up being corrected and chided for it. After a few doses of that, I learned to curb my enthusiasm and just let questions go unanswered. Some of us, if not most of us are guilty of that same foible at some point in our posting careers here and elsewhere.

I truly don't want to start naming names here but I think if anyone who is reading this thread, might also find themselves guilty of this same sin.

In closing, my final advice for all of us here is to speak up when you have something constructive to say and shut your filthy pie-holes when you don't.

Cheers!

[evm1024]

Originally Posted by The Ghost of FM

I don't come here specifically to be a peace-maker or as someone who doesn't care about the community here.

I come here to offer advice where I can and keep my mouth shut when I can't.

There were times in the past when I was so wanting to help as many people as I could that I would offer up half baked advice and then end up being corrected and chided for it. After a few doses of that, I learned to curb my enthusiasm and just let questions go unanswered. Some of us, if not most of us are guilty of that same foible at some point in our posting careers here and elsewhere.

I truly don't want to start naming names here but I think if anyone who is reading this thread, might also find themselves guilty of this same sin.

In closing, my final advice for all of us here is to speak up when you have something constructive to say and shut your filthy pie-holes when you don't.

Cheers!

BY far the best advise

[MadAudio]

Originally Posted by The Ghost of FM

I don't come here specifically to be a peace-maker or as someone who doesn't care about the community here.

I come here to offer advice where I can and keep my mouth shut when I can't.

There were times in the past when I was so wanting to help as many people as I could that I would offer up half baked advice and then end up being corrected and chided for it. After a few doses of that, I learned to curb my enthusiasm and just let questions go unanswered. Some of us, if not most of us are guilty of that same foible at some point in our posting careers here and elsewhere.

I truly don't want to start naming names here but I think if anyone who is reading this thread, might also find themselves guilty of this same sin.

In closing, my final advice for all of us here is to speak up when you have something constructive to say and shut your filthy pie-holes when you don't.

Cheers!

Terrific post, Ghost. I think we all could benefit from following your lead.

[Dr ZEE]

Originally Posted by The Ghost of FM

I come here to offer advice where I can and keep my mouth shut when I can't.

...

...my final advice for all of us here is to speak up when you have something constructive to say and shut your filthy pie-holes when you don't.

Cheers!

Here's what I think.
First of all, I see b-board(s) as a "place" to discuss, to ask, to share and sometimes simply for chatting with friends. Offering advise fits-in well, but it's not the only thing to do.
As for shutting things. Things that are not open can't nor need to be shut and there's no need to go anywhere to keep it in such state.

As for "something constructive", that depends on where, when and more importantly who! you talk.
Cutting trees, crashing rocks, digging the hole etc. all this is a destruction which is part of a construction. We can talk about it if we choose to do so.