motif es or xs?

[adamki]

I have been wanting a motif es forever. My cousin is sailing his ES to get an XS. A motif es and tapco S8 monitors for $1500. So should I get that or wait and save for the xs. Has anybody heard the xs yet? Is it that much better? Thanks.

[bitz]

i played around with the xs and it's miles beyond the es... way more user friendly and as hard as it is to think they did actually improve on the sound.

[adamki]

As far as getting around on the motif es thats not a problem. I had the regular motif for a while a friend left it in the studio forever. I was just wondering how much better the sounds are.

[anppilot]

Haven't played with the XS but I have a motif rack es, and I love it. I cant see spending the $$$ on the XS if its not night and day from each other.

But I am a cheap person and try to get the best deal on stuff anyway.

Just my $.02 anyway, besides, look @ my signature, I have a ton of crap anyway.

Cheers

[adamki]

Thanks anppilot. I think im getting it tomorrow. I dont have alot of money to throw around and hes throwing in the monitors. you have helped alot.

[anppilot]

Glad to have helped.

So did you get it yet?

[adamki]

Well last night I go to pick the motif up and he decides he doesnt want to sale anymore! Im so mad! I think being so excited about it made him change his mind. So I looked on ebay and waiting some more. Its a peace of gear that seems like im never going to get. But on the bright side, im going to the guitar center today and getting new monitors. That makes me a little happy.

[anppilot]

Well remember this, you dont have to pay what is on the sticker at G.C.

Example.

When I bought my Motif Rack ES, I told them that I could get it at a place in NY I know for $900. My friend gave that price in writing to me, and they had to match it.

I never pay what you see on the sticker.

ciao

[adamki]

I got the tapco S8 monitors. Well anyways I was on ebay looking for an es and seen, motif es refill dvd for reason. Its like 6 dvds with every sound from the motif es, roland fantom x, Korg triton, and nord keyboards. Is this Legal? and if so what would they sound like? They couldnt sound as good as the real deal right?

[DavidK]

Originally Posted by adamki

They couldnt sound as good as the real deal right?

It depends on lots of things. Sure, you can sample the sound, but you cant sample what it can do with modulation, effects, editing, all the synth stuff, etc. The real deal also does velocity switching. If you buy the DVDs you are not really buying a synth engine, merely samples of patches.

Err, I think. That would be my understanding of it. I am about to buy a motif es too.

[adamki]

yeah your right Davidk, Im sure alot of the really good synth sounds and guitars and stuff will not sound the same. Some of the sounds would probabley sound close depending on the sample quality. Im getting a Motif for sure really soon. I guess I answered my own question. I just didnt want to get something illegal. Because I might get the samples anyway. You can probably layer the samples and miss around with them and find some good stuff.
Thanks again to eveybody that as helped me out!!

[anppilot]

I've used akai s2800 samplers & old mirages.

I will only use Gigastudio 32 now.

And I only use them for drums. I've never been able to get into the sampler for synth type stuff. like the other fella said, you wont get full editing. It's roughly a sample (patch) playback module at that point.

Someone plz correct me if I'm wrong.

Thus My Giga32 DAW being a drum based sampler for me.

That's why I have the real motif rack es, fantom xr rack and triton rack. Theres something to be said to using the real deal.

[brzilian]

I got my hands on an XS 8 yesterday and, honestly, I'm unimpressed. I love my Motif 6 and could definetly hear a difference when I play the ES, but the XS really just seems like more of the same.

If I had to go out and buy something to replace my Motif 6, I would go for an ES 8 and not the XS.

Just my $.02

[adamki]

Man thats crazy! I have been waiting to hear that. But I guess If I could go out and get an xs, I would. I think the really big deal about it is, that it has 8 parts instead of 4. also the big display. Im sure you can tweak the sounds a lot more. And lots more efx right? It has to be better, but not enough for people like me to spend an extra thousand.
thanks
Anppilot, you have a nice set up my goal this year is to get a set up like yours. I also have an old mirage 8 bit sampler. I love playing around with old synths and samplers!

[anppilot]

Thanks Adam. Here is a link to a few pics of my current studio.

http://community.webshots.com/user/djironsword

its small, but I Make it happen in there.

It's funny, there are "pro" studios around here that charge $60+/hr and dont have half of the synths/modules I have.

GRANT they may have 20 mics, 10 compressors, a $50k mixing board, $25k protoold hd setup, but somehow.... I make it happen.

Like my mentor once told me:

"It's not what you have, it's what you DO with what you have"

Considering this is comming from a guy who only has this:

Fostex 280 4 track tape recorder
pa amp w/spring reverb
yamaha v50 workstation
korg 707
a flute
an electric guitar
2 track reel 2 reel

And he made it happen.

[DavidK]

Nice studio anpilot, very cool.

[adamki]

Anppilot, around here its the same way. We have one studio with pro tools HD3, The D control and thousands of dollers of gear. But get this, the head engineer has no clue what hes doing. I like the guy, hes really nice but has no place in a studio. I have made better demos with my little tascam, and then shooting them into my mbox then he has with a full hd system. Im not calling myself a pro by anymeans. Some of you guys in here blow my mind sometimes. I will never be as good. I just like to record my band.
Your right, Very wise person.

[anppilot]

Thanks for the compliment David.

Adam, your right. Get this. My mentor with his tiny bit of equipment recorded a track which turned out to be used as the "theme song" for the Center For Disease Control in Atlanta. I believe it was called "no more drugs" ???

I dont exactaly remember... this was back in the mid-nineties

But Joe made it happen.

They (him and his wife) just did the basic stuff with their yamaha v50 workstation. I made that thing scream. I was layering ep's with pads, tweaking presets, layering snares & Kicks to get fat snares and deep kicks, using multiple hihats at the hats time that sounded totally different than other music at the time, building complete full drum beats.

But my background is mostly hiphop & r&B. Later I got into techno, and dance.

But being from the Philly area, I always listened to babyface, went to high school with Wanya from boyz II men. Learned alot from their producing style.

Plus I was huge, no HUGE into bass music like 69 boys, dj magic mike, you know, alot of that florida bass scene. The original samplers of a 808 kick drum to be used for a guitar bass, not a bass kick. THAT is where that started.

Also from listening to real rap artist, not this crap today. Artist like: EPMD, wutang clan, Das EFX - alot of east coast styles