Nice try, you stinkin' lying sob(s)!

[Dr ZEE]

http://namm.harmony-central.com/WNAM...ape-Suite.html
nice 'skinning job' , the "visual effect" is not too bad
i don't know how to post direct link, but if you go to mf page here: http://www.musiciansfriend.com/winternamm07 there you can scroll down and find video "presentation", that dude was having real hard time looking straight to the camera's "eye" as he was spewing his BS. As I was watching it I wanted to say something like: "C'mon, man, look into my eye, smile, I know it's just your job and you don't mean to compromise a principle or two that your mama taught you when you were a lil' boy (things like - don't lie, don't steal - sh*t like that), I understand"
*******
btw, I am not being harsh, I am being actually too nice.
so,
"Nice Try, miss Digi" , that is
/later

[Dr ZEE]

Originally Posted by DigiDesign

Digidesign® Reel Tape™

"Real Tape" tee em! , oh really?!!!!!!!!!!! TM?, TM!!!!!!!!??????
"reel"? and "tape" are "tee-emed" now?
tee em - my stinking ugly A*S!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

that all I can tell.
That's all they are good for - tee-emming shit.
Hey, miss Digi! Get back to your thing, damn'it. Build soundcards and tell it as it is. Just as you used to do it back in time when everybody were running like hell away from tape toward to shining light of "digital heaven."
this folks are totally out of their mind. Pathetic!.

[Good Friend]

I cant watch the video. I have high speed DSL connection but the dial-up emulator im running just takes too long.

[Flangerhans]

These things on the side of my head, they are ears. When I learned to use them objectively, a clear difference between tape recordings and digital ones became apparent. Many other people have ears, and will learn to listen with them and bypass any verbal jungles of abused language schmoes like that salesman can come up with. A/B a well-recorded tape against anything digital can do, and if a listener is impartial, there will be no difficulty in making a choice between them.

There is no salesman, or government agency, or ultimate authority that can cancel the counsel of ears. Trademarks don't change the sound of a unit, or a plug-in.

So, cheer up, Z! Our cause is just, and our hearts are true. The dark digifolk can never prevail, while huge, ringing, over-compressed chords play the soundtrack of our glory. Soon they will sit, among the wreckage of their passe equipment and overpriced corrections of problems that should have never existed in the first place, crying out their sales raps to one another, bereft of any other audience.

[The Ghost of FM]

Here's the link to the video directly.

Hope it works?

http://www.musiciansfriend.com/docum...e_01_W-NAMM-07

Cheers!

[Good Friend]

Im sorry, that was actually just a lame joke... you know why would anyone emulate something if they have something better already.. you know... uh... ahh... screw it.

[Dr ZEE]

my biggest problem with this sort of crap is not even the issue whether or not "IT" sounds this or sounds that or what ever. My problem is that it is SCUM! It's a FRAUD (if you really 'analyze it). And it goes on and on and on.
The best and shortest way I would try to discribe it this way:

Many people may agree that frog legs taste like chiken.

Now, go and try selling frog legs carefully "shaped" as chicken nuggets in boxes decorated with a colorful mighty rooster king and with a title "Mighty Chicken King™" and see how far your biz will go.
Yet, these scumbags get away with this sh*t for years.
arrrghhhhhhhhhh, never mind....
and, ironically, the better their "plug ins" look on paper and on screen - the scummier their product is.
I just have to spit it out

[Dr ZEE]

Jeff, the link is working.
thanks abunch'

note for people who can't stream this crap: "You don't miss much"
but here's a "short still-shots report":

..."Don't push, man."

[Rodrev]

LOL!

You got it just right Dr. Zee. Theese things make me kinda ill. Whats the point in adjusting speed, bias and such on a plugin? Can anyone tell me? I mean.. this thing also probably cost more than a decent threehead... People buy anything theese days if its labeled "features", and is said to sound "analog".

Baard

[Beck]

It is truly amazing how so many people believe that anything and everything can be digitally emulated. It simply can’t in many cases.

There is a body language gal that appears on one of the news programs from time to time (can’t remember right now which one… FOX, CNN… don’t know). I would love to see her analyze the guy in the video… body language, eye movement, tone of voice, inflexions, etc. I’m sure he knows shit from shinola and is lying through his teeth.

This generation is so easily taken in. A graphic with knobs, buttons, and a spinning reel and they think somehow they’ve got the real thing in a box. It’s just pitiful.

Hey… this would be funny. Contact Digidesign technical support and tell them you’re worried that the tape in the graphic might need to be replaced because you’ve used it a lot lately and are experiencing dropouts. This would be a hoot to pull on first-tier phone support… “Please hold sir; I’ll have to check to see if we can get a new tape for you.”

[cjacek]

I agree. It's rubbish at its best, marketed toward the uninitiated. Lies, lies and more lies!

Digital trying to emulate Analog in 2007 ? I thought Digital was supposed to be "better" than Analog, like in '85 and wasn't the demise of tape predicted as far back as in the late 70's ? Haha!!

'nuff said.

[cjacek]

Originally Posted by Beck

Contact Digidesign technical support and tell them you’re worried that the tape in the graphic might need to be replaced because you’ve used it a lot lately and are experiencing dropouts. This would be a hoot to pull on first-tier phone support… “Please hold sir; I’ll have to check to see if we can get a new tape for you.”

Yeah, now THAT would be funny!

[Rodrev]

Originally Posted by cjacek

Digital trying to emulate Analog in 2007 ? I thought Digital was supposed to be "better" than Analog, like in '85 and wasn't the demise of tape predicted as far back as in the late 70's ?

The only decade where digital came to its right usage was the 80s I think. Ever since, digital has just tried harder and harder to sound like reel sound.

This proves it. What they say is:
"Now we have programs that gives your sound the beautiful spark of life we told you was just shit some years ago. NOW is YOUR chance to experience the real sound we took away from you"

Mankind not very critical to new technology.. They eat it, shit it out, and then come running for our gourmet meal. When they discover that they have grown to lazy to cook one themself, they believe some expensive spices can do the job.

And WHY is he namedropping Ampex???? I bet this software has the Stricky Sheds!!

[Beck]

“5 years ago few believed a simple digital tape emulator could make a man's mix sound larger. There was a lot of skepticism. But now, 5 years later, thousands of simple digital tape emulators have been sold all over the world.

Scientifically proven to increase the fatness of that certain part of the male mixdown.

Digizyte tape emulation. It's not a gimmick; it's real science.”

[Rodrev]

Originally Posted by Beck

Scientifically proven to increase the fatness of that certain part of the male mixdown.

(crowd cheering)

[Good Friend]

People must get bored of trying to play and write so they turn to what is exciting. And new shit is exciting for people, even if that new shit is shit that came out 30 years ago. I know i love to get new shit. But i try not to let the new shit make me too carried away and forget why i got all the shit in the first place... because i wanted to play and write. People get old fast. I remember when it was a mindblow just to hear yourself played back or hear your voice double tracked. I cant always, but i try to strive for those types of feelings more often because otherwise id end up chasing too much expensive unnecessary shit.

[The Ghost of FM]

I remember going to a trade show for studio gear back in 1991 at the Toronto Convention Center and going to the TASCAM booth to check out a high end audio for video set up they were pimping at the time which consisted of an ATR60-16 with a Sony U-Matic deck and a synchronizer also made by TASCAM a long with an M3500 mixer a Sony industrial CRT monitor all set up in a small room that wasn't closed off to the rest of the show's main room which had another 100 or so vendors all hawking their wares to the crowd.

There were 4 or 5 sales reps from TASCAM there running the demonstration of how the everything was supposed to work in perfect synchronization and how the audio was supposed to chase and lock to the video. These guys had all been there, doing the same act for the past couple of days and to a man, all of them looked tired, frustrated and jonesing to get out of there, away from the bedlam of the show.

Needless to say, the demonstration when I was there didn't go very smoothly as they were having problems getting all the gear to lock up and the ATR60-16 was taking for ever to chase and lock to the U-matic which basically was directly contradicting what they were pimping about how smoothly and easily it was all supposed to work!

Being in sales, myself, I kind of felt sorry for them. Trade shows are pretty much the exact opposite environment you want to be in to show these kind of products off and especially so when there's so much detail that needs to be explained and absorbed by the companies and the perspective clients. They really should be using trained circus barkers for these shows but you'd never find enough qualified ones to pull it off properly.

Trade shows basically suck.

Cheers!

[themaddog]

He didn't say anything about the emulator being able to make the stereo image wider...

-MD

[jpmorris]

Originally Posted by Dr ZEE

"Real Tape" tee em! , oh really?!!!!!!!!!!! TM?, TM!!!!!!!!??????
"reel"? and "tape" are "tee-emed" now?

IMHO no-one calls it 'Reel tape', so it's probably okay, if a bit tasteless. If they had gone for 'Open Reel Tape' (A) the trademark would be invalid and (B) RMGI, Zonal and ATR would go mental. Possibly even Quantegy.

As it stands they've got 'Reel Tape'(TM) and it's probably only valid within the software domain anyway (e.g. Apple Computers vs Apple Records).

Now, will their software play back my tape library? No? Well it hardly constitutes an adequate replacement then, does it?

Will their software allow me to underclock the DSP and record at a higher or lower sample rate, like the varispeed on my Tascam does? Probably not. IMHO that would be more useful than yet another more tape saturation software, no matter how pretty. (The market for that is kind of, uh, saturated.)

Originally Posted by cjacek

I thought Digital was supposed to be "better" than Analog, like in '85 and wasn't the demise of tape predicted as far back as in the late 70's ?

If you can, try to find a copy of the BBC mini-series 'The Stone Tape'. It's a horror story about a secret R&D department for an electronics firm who are trying to invent a replacement for magnetic tape. It was made in 1972.

[BRDTS]

I was at Digi's booth and listened/played with this demo for a bit. It's really good. The bulk of the people in and around the booth are/were guys from extensive tape backgrounds ...so it's pretty easy to listen to the plug and judge whether it's useful against all the multitrack recorders that many of us still have (and some increasingly don't use). This plug is primarily going into the hands of folks who already have the analog/digital experience.

As far as the guy not looking at the camera, he was referencing the screen to his right as describing the layout ...as most any of us do when showing someone how to navigate features on a screen. It seems a little unfair to use such low terms to describe a man who was simply conducting a demo.

Because of the noise in the halls, many things are difficult to audition. Digi's booth is just inside the hall doors and I heard it a little after 10 in the morning, just after the halls opened....a fairly quiet time. Like I say, it sounded really good. I'm a Nuendo user and primarily only use Protools for transfers, so it's unlikely I'll buy the plug, but we are coming a long way with the technology in the relatively short time folks have been trying to do these emulations (10-15 years).

There was also a hardware version of this at the show (not Digi) that also does the Studer/Ampex machine 456/499 route and it also sounded really good. That one, I'm thinking of getting.

If you're a Digi HD user and you also own analog multitrack machines (as many HD users do), the plug gives you an alternative to powering up the tape recorders. Nothing wrong with that.

By the way, I was talking with my Studer friends at the show and there are 9 brand new A824's left. That's it. This time last year, there were 25 or so remaining. Coming from such a long number of years with good ol' Tascam stuff, I've been mulling ...for quite awhile...getting a new Studer (and new Otari 5050MkIII or Atr) while I can. The Studer prices are down to $19,000 from last year's $28,000 (and $56,000 when in their heyday). It would be an easier decision if I was still powering up the Tascam 24, 16,8,4 tracks around here, but it's just becoming so rare (Nuendo is being worked 18-20 hours a day, 7 days a week).

Anyway, after so many years where tape recorders were all we had and they were always so frustrating for many of us in the old days, this is.. imo ..such a great time to be living and working in. We have so many choices of tools and there is truly something for everyone. I don't think it's necessary to bash anyone or anything, especially over technological advances....whoo...I still remember the bashing Tascam received from the pro community when the series 70 and 80-8 came out. Brutal! Didn't need to be.

[Beck]

BRDTS,

So what is your job at Digidesign, besides public relations? They are paying you for this I hope....

[Dr ZEE]

Originally Posted by BRDTS

It's really good. .

And so are the "Mighty Chicken King™" frog legs.
yam-yam
/respect

[Beck]

It wouldn't have mattered if the guy were in a suit in a controlled TV interview, he was pimping yet another tape emulation gimmick. I’ve seen them all. This is not being marketed to people that have been around… not by a long shot. It’s primarily for the TapeOp crowd and younger…

Manufacturers see a market for analog. We’ve clearly kept it on the map. Digidesign is not going to start making tape decks. They have a customer base that believes everything from good sex to good music can be had from a PC. Many people believe this, and they’ve never known anything else.

Well, a person can’t help when they were born, but sometimes I thank God I landed where I did. Most people 10 years younger or even less haven’t got a chance in hell to cut through this utter digital bullshit… and that’s exactly what it is.

On the other hand if I were much older (and had a hole in my head or something) I might be as easily deceived as a child. At some point the elderly buckle under pressure to embrace modern trends so as not to appear outdated and irrelevant among their peers. I’m sure failing hearing has something to do with it as well. So in that respect I guess Digidesign and others will catch a few people that should otherwise know better.

It’s not technology, but psychology that sells this garbage. Never forget that.

[Beck]

The individual in the video may just have the misfortune of being the face of the company at this time and place, or he may be like many music industry salesmen we’ve come to know and dislike.

Nonetheless, it’s quite natural for ZEE and others to be incensed by an individual or corporation trying to take advantage of public ignorance for profit. This is a very noble sentiment and shows that one cares about something other than self. We know we’re not going to be deceived, but still feel for the many that will be taken in.

Quite a few of us here could use our knowledge and experience to fill our pockets at the expense of the uninitiated. It would be very easy. The opportunities are there, but the conscience will not permit.

[Beck]

Originally Posted by The Ghost of FM

Trade shows basically suck.

No doubt… and from a marketing perspective that is a really bad video to have out there in the first place, regardless of the product being pitched.