double tracking effects not chorus

[walters]

For a live band how can i get my vocals to double track? i don't like how a chorus or pitch shifter sounds its not double tracking layered sounding

The pitch shifters just sounds like a chorus on my vocals

What would u guys do or hook up to try to get a really close double tracking live??

[ikijapan]

that's actually easier than you might think

[Robert D]

Originally Posted by ikijapan

that's actually easier than you might think

Wow, what an incredibly helpful response.

Originally Posted by Robert D

Wow, what an incredibly helpful response.

I was thinking exactly the same thing.

[SRR]

Delay modulator, or just straight delay, or are you looking for something beyond that?

First of all, I have no experience with live setups. But in theory, this might work.

Split the vocal signal into 2 signals, have one come out in the front, and the other slightly off to the right or left, with a very slight delay and maybe some EQ. And bring this one's volume down a little relative to the main (dry) vocal.

This works in recordings, not sure how it would work in a live setup.

Walters - Why haven't we heard any of your recordings?

[SRR]

Oh my gosh I just replied to a Walters post and didn't even know it, crap....

[ez_willis]

I think one walters is more than enough. The thought of doubling him makes me queazy.

[walters]

I listen to alot of TUPAC he double tracks all his vocals but im trying to get that live

by splitting my vocals and doing what to make it have that double tracked layered sound u know

Marc Bolan from T-rex also i like his double tracked vocals

Delay modulator, or just straight delay, or are you looking for something beyond that?

Yes i am what would be beyond this?

what kind of delay modulator sound double track like TUPAC vocals or Marc Bolan?

[walters]

how can i use a SLAP BACK delay to do a double tracked layered vocal??

[ez_willis]

Pretty sure Tupac was just singing along to a prerecorded track during any live performance he ever did. The rap crowd is way less scrutinizing and more forgiving than a rock crowd. Probably because of the Hennessy, crack, and blunts.

When's the last time you saw T.Rex live?

[ez_willis]

Originally Posted by walters

how can i use a SLAP BACK delay to do a double tracked layered vocal??

You can use whatever you like, walters, as long as you have your helmet on.

[ikijapan]

Originally Posted by danny.guitar

I was thinking exactly the same thing.

Sorry...I thought the post was more of a joke...guess it's not...or is it.

Uhh, anyhow, someone already nailed it.

You simply record the vocals twice.

In the studio.

Then when you are live you play back the doubled vocals. Along with the song everyone is pretending to play along to. That's how all the pros do it anyways. Just ask Ashley Simpson.

[MOFO Pro]

Originally Posted by ikijapan

Sorry...I thought the post was more of a joke...guess it's not...or is it.

Damn... and I was impressed that you had the savy after just 18 posts to understand perfectly...

[walters]

No i don't want to do it that way sorry

[Big Kenny]

Just put....down the ...mic, and ...back ...away...slowly....

[Robert D]

I missed that it was Walters also. In that case, the answer is.........
Busses - Use lots of busses.

[gcapel]

If the question is how to double track, well just patch a cable from the direct out or insert of the vocal channel into another channel's line in. Then insert your effect(s) on the duplicate channel.


For the slap back stereo effect, a stereo delay effect has to be used inserting the left side into the primary vocal channel then the right side into the duplicate channel. Pan the two channels left and right. But to do this you will need a board that has both a direct out and an insert on the channels. And also the direct out must be pre insert.

Hope this helps

[Nakatira]

Do like a lot of vocalists did in the 70`s just ducktape 2 dynamic mics together on the mic stands.

Paul Rodgers and Peter Gabriel did this, I`m sure they would be proud having you follow theire footsteps.

[Robert D]

I don't think anything "real time" exists to do this, and I've thought a few times about this. To pull this off you need to replicate the constantly shifting deltas in time/pitch/timber/formants/and dynamics of two vocal performances. Sounds do-able, but I have to believe it's been, or is being worked on by some of the companies with the resources and expertise to do it, and so far it hasn't been pulled off. Must be a tough nut to crack.

[Mindset]

Originally Posted by ez_willis

Pretty sure Tupac was just singing along to a prerecorded track during any live performance he ever did. The rap crowd is way less scrutinizing and more forgiving than a rock crowd. Probably because of the Hennessy, crack, and blunts.

When's the last time you saw T.Rex live?

He did, just not as much as artists now a days. What I do is use chorus but send the chorus into a separate track and process it & lower down the volume of it until you barely notice it. This and sometimes delay works too. It usually gives me the doubling effect your describing for live apps.

[technominds]

This is averagely impossible due to the fact you would need complicated maths just to create the difference in sound. If its live and not to a metrenome, this means artisticly the doubled up voice could sound too out of time, or not enough out of time.

I do believe there is a waves plugin that does doubling up, but as with alot of waves plugins you would have to have a great machine to get it running without noticable latency. The pluing is called Waves Doubler, i think there are different versions for the amount of people you want to sound like is tracking.

If the double tracking is for recording purposes, and you want to stay away from re-recording them.. if you have the clean signal of the vocal.. you can use a pluing like melodyne or V-vocal to move about a duplicate of your vocal so it sits slightly different to your origional.

But as i say, live application isnt worth the hassle. Probably best to get a mate to stand behind stage and sing along with you

[sajs]

We use a TC Helicon Voice Live for the doubling effect. It doesn't get any easier than that. It also sounds really good, if you are into that effect.

[rory]

I sing my own doubles live.

[MOFO Pro]

Originally Posted by rory

I sing my own doubles live.

Yeah... It's easy... easy... easy...easy...