This has probably been coverd but,,,,, Foam

[Freudian Slip]

If you want that pro look of Auralex wedgies, but can't stomach the price??

I ordered a set from this place. I got 3 inch wedgies with 8 4x4 corner peices for two thirds the price of the 2 inch roominator kit.

The specs are the same as 3 inch auralex. You can get 2 inch from this place for half the price. Since it was cheaper by far I opted to go with the 3 inch.

I shure am glad I put of buying from auralex last week!

Here's a link, you can follow a link on the right side of the pave to their store and get what ever thickness you desire, from 1" to 4". Only thing that sucks is NO Purple!!!!! but for less than half the price for the same thickness, 48 sq feet instead of 36 (I think) and corner peices thrown in,, I can live with charcole



http://cgi.ebay.com/Soundproofing-3-...QQcmdZViewItem

I plan on 703 panels in the live room, but these in the control room.

F.S.

[apl]

That is not a pro look at all.

Stick to the 703.

See www.ethanwiner.com/acoustics.html

[Freudian Slip]

Originally Posted by apl

That is not a pro look at all.

Stick to the 703.

See www.ethanwiner.com/acoustics.html

Knew that was coming Well I like the look. Spec's are decent on the 3 inch. Not as good as the 703. Like I said 703 for the live room.

Just saying, if it's what you want it's way cheaper than Auralex. Should have said the "auralex look"


Oh, thanks for the link! Nice

F.S.

[apl]

Originally Posted by Freudian Slip

Knew that was coming Well I like the look. Spec's are decent on the 3 inch. Not as good as the 703. Like I said 703 for the live room.

Just saying, if it's what you want it's way cheaper than Auralex. Should have said the "auralex look"


Oh, thanks for the link! Nice

F.S.

I misread your first post and thought you were contemplating, not that you'd already bought.

Sorry 'bout that.

[Freudian Slip]

Originally Posted by apl

I misread your first post and thought you were contemplating, not that you'd already bought.

Sorry 'bout that.

No problem. I personally like the look of the wedgies and the 3 inch has pretty good specs.

The stuff I bought I think is going to be cheaper or about the same than 703 by the time you buy the wood & fabric. But I like the fact you can move the 703 panels around if you like. I also want to build some free standing panels with 703.


I still have to price out the plywood. and see where I land. My big push right now is room treatment before I move on to better pre's and other more high dollar gear than I currently have. Once I've done the rooms I'll know better where my weak links are in my gear.

Anyway...

To each his own. I will let you know if this stuff sucks bad I did check out specs though before buying so I should be ok.

F.S.

[Seeker of Rock]

If you search this forum, you'll see that Ethan Winer tested this stuff (under the alias Foam-By-Mail) and came up with different audio results than those claimed by the factory. But then others have ordered it and seem to be happy with it (again, do a search and you'll find the conversations...foam by mail and you can also find Ethan's test results of RealTraps products, Auralex, and Foam By Mail), so who knows. If it makes your room sound good to you, I guess that is what's important. My guess is the 3" you ordered my have the same effectiveness as 1-1/2" to 2" of Auralex, so still a good deal when you consider the price factor. You're ears will know for sure...post back once you get it up and let us know how it sounds to you.

[apl]

http://homerecording.com/bbs/showthread.php?t=214828

Ethan calls them liars.

[Seeker of Rock]

I was hoping you would re-post that link apl You're link during a forum search was how I found that data the first time I came across it.

[Ethan Winer]

Originally Posted by apl

Ethan calls them liars.

Oh yeah, fer sher they are. Sadly, they're not the only liars in this biz. But they're probably the worst because so many people fall prey to their claim "the specs are as good as Auralex."

I'd also love to hear someone report about the level of technical advice they got from Foam By Mail. Has anyone here ever asked them for acoustics advice? Not just "What should I buy" but real technical questions like why do bass traps work best in corners, and what audible damage is caused by early reflections, and how do I measure my room and interpret the results, and so forth.

--Ethan

[pandamonk]

Originally Posted by Freudian Slip

I plan on 703 panels in the live room, but these in the control room.

F.S.

If you're gonna get them, which i recommend you don't, do the opposite to this. 703, in control and these in live. 'Cause the control room is more important than the live, where acoustics are concerned, and the 703 will certainly do a better job.

[Freudian Slip]

Originally Posted by Ethan Winer

Oh yeah, fer sher they are. Sadly, they're not the only liars in this biz. But they're probably the worst because so many people fall prey to their claim "the specs are as good as Auralex."

I'd also love to hear someone report about the level of technical advice they got from Foam By Mail. Has anyone here ever asked them for acoustics advice? Not just "What should I buy" but real technical questions like why do bass traps work best in corners, and what audible damage is caused by early reflections, and how do I measure my room and interpret the results, and so forth.

--Ethan

Hmmm, Nice I was pretty carefull to look at the specs to. Foam by mail actually sited their testing lab. Something I could not find at Auralex.

I did not pay close attention to the bass traps as they where sort of a throw in too me and I figured they are just square blocks, you know like scrap cuttings from a sheet they throw in to make you think whohoo.
I looked at Auralex touched it and all that good stuff at a store and wasn't very impressed with it's density or weight especially considering the price. I did consider though that it was just to kill reflection, not sound proofing like they both say and then take back on their sites .
So I just stumbled on this place and thought for the price I would give it a shot. I got more, thicker and for a lot less money than the 2 inch aurelex.

Well you live & you learn. Perhaps I'll glue them to a layer of 703 or something There's always craigs list too.

F.S.

[apl]

Originally Posted by Freudian Slip

I did consider though that it was just to kill reflection, not sound proofing...

Foams and fiberglass are soley absorptive materials, can only be used to kill reflections, and are utterly useless for soundproofing which is accomplished by barriers.

[Freudian Slip]

Originally Posted by pandamonk

If you're gonna get them, which i recommend you don't, do the opposite to this. 703, in control and these in live. 'Cause the control room is more important than the live, where acoustics are concerned, and the 703 will certainly do a better job.

You haven't heard my live room have you?
I have to question you're theory there. I think it's at least equal. maybe not for electric guitar with the mic against the grill but my main concern is drums with overheads way further from the source than the reflective surfaces.

I seriously need to kill reflection in my live room. It's small. I can hear it in my monitors It's gotten better thanks to the use of comfortors & sleeping bags, and what ever else I can hang on a wall, but I have to get it better and treat the low ceiling too.

I'm sure there are people with way better rooms than me where what your saying is the case, but I don't think I'm one of them.

I do plan on putting some 703 in the control room to.

F.S.

[Freudian Slip]

Originally Posted by apl

Foams and fiberglass are soley absorptive materials, can only be used to kill reflections, and are utterly useless for soundproofing which is accomplished by barriers.

That's what I said.

I just thought it was dubious that the links to both thier adds say "sound proofing studio foam" Nad then they both admit it's worthless for it. Wich I was well aware of. I do have alot of 1/2 rubber conveyor belt if I wanted to sound proof some (or give the neighbors a little help at least) I think it would work pretty good but it's so heavy I fear my house would fall down
F.S.

[pandamonk]

Originally Posted by Freudian Slip

You haven't heard my live room have you?
I have to question you're theory there. I think it's at least equal. maybe not for electric guitar with the mic against the grill but my main concern is drums with overheads way further from the source than the reflective surfaces.

I seriously need to kill reflection in my live room. It's small. I can hear it in my monitors It's gotten better thanks to the use of comfortors & sleeping bags, and what ever else I can hang on a wall, but I have to get it better and treat the low ceiling too.

I'm sure there are people with way better rooms than me where what your saying is the case, but I don't think I'm one of them.

I do plan on putting some 703 in the control room to.

F.S.

Well this stuff you're looking at will help kill mid-high end reflections somewhat, and make your live room usable. The control room is the most important, because if you get a mix sounding great in a bad control room it will more than like sound shit everywhere else. If you get a mix sounding good in a good control room it will generally sound great everywhere else. You need as flat a frequency response as you can get in a control room with good stereo imaging. This is no easy task, and needs to best of materials. A live room can be fixed much easier with placement of mics/sound source, and with absorbing materials, you could even make a few gobos out of 703 to place round and above what ever you record. Even if you get a dead sounding live room, the reverb can be added later.

[Freudian Slip]

Originally Posted by pandamonk

Well this stuff you're looking at will help kill mid-high end reflections somewhat, and make your live room usable. The control room is the most important, because if you get a mix sounding great in a bad control room it will more than like sound shit everywhere else. If you get a mix sounding good in a good control room it will generally sound great everywhere else. You need as flat a frequency response as you can get in a control room with good stereo imaging. This is no easy task, and needs to best of materials. A live room can be fixed much easier with placement of mics/sound source, and with absorbing materials, you could even make a few gobos out of 703 to place round and above what ever you record. Even if you get a dead sounding live room, the reverb can be added later.

Gotcha. Ya the main issue I am having in my live room is mids, but more of a mid-low mid issue to my ears. A bit of a lower honkyness. The only place I have an issue is on my overheads pretty much. Everything else is close mic'd with cardoids at the moment. It is a small room (med sized bedroom with 7'8" ceiling). So my overheads are slightly more than a foot from the ceiling. And since the room is so small the drums are up against a corner. It's about as bad of a situation as you could ask for. My plan is to deaden the room as much as I can because it has no redeaming sound quality that I can tell.
I have all the poormans solutions in place and it's still pretty bad. I do plan to move the overheads down some more I have to watch the drummer close first. He is too damn tall! I want look before I leap on the mics. Getting good balance with them now just The crappy room sound in there that really shows up when you add any compression.


My control room on the other hand is another bedroom with some treatment that seems pretty good so long as you are sitting in my chair. I can record vocals in it with out near the room sound I get in the other. Anyway soon it will all be taken care of. I can have all the pannels done and up in a day if I bust ass. All I have to do is get the 703 and fabric. and that may happen this week. All said and done it looks like I will make some panels and sprinke the wedgies around them tor decoration.

Thanks for the advice. Keep in mind though that you can learn your mixing room & speakers. Your mic can't learn the live room and with the frequency range that the overheads are covering it's pretty much impossible to mix out a bad room.

F.S.

[Freudian Slip]

I've officially changed my thump to down on the thread.

F.S.

[Seeker of Rock]

Wait, there is still hope.
On the bright side now, a couple of people that ordered them when the products were first mentioned here actually liked what they did for their rooms, as I recall.
Just because the specs are a lie, doesn't mean they may not do something, especially if it is the the 3". One way to find out for sure what it actually sounds like, and that is for you to give us a follow-up when you set the stuff up.

[Seeker of Rock]

Originally Posted by Ethan Winer

I'd also love to hear someone report about the level of technical advice they got from Foam By Mail. Has anyone here ever asked them for acoustics advice?
--Ethan

No, but I e-mailed them and asked if they were sure about the audio specs and mentioned that someone I knew tested their product and came up with significantly varying results from theirs. The e-mail was set up to be nice and sincerely inquisitive, with lots of proper, respectful wording in the greeting and closing, so they should have replied back just to defend their position and keep their good name to a potential customer. But, nada/zilch/zip in replies from them...and that inquiry was made over 3 months ago.

[foreverain4]

your money is better spent on 703. i would not buy acoustic treatment from anyone that claims that it does "soundproofing", no matter what the material or specs.

[Freudian Slip]

Originally Posted by foreverain4

your money is better spent on 703. i would not buy acoustic treatment from anyone that claims that it does "soundproofing", no matter what the material or specs.

Well at least I'm not that foolish to believe that for a second. Thats just how they register it with search engines hoping poeple who don't know any better won't look. They have them selves covered on the site, but it's a pretty crapy sales technique. At least aularex does sell some sound proofing products. Foam by mail does not, that I saw at least.

If you steam rolled a 5 foot thick pile of foam down to a inch or so It might begin to have some sound proofing qualitys


F.S.

[Ethan Winer]

Originally Posted by Seeker of Rock

No, but I e-mailed them and asked if they were sure about the audio specs and mentioned that someone I knew tested their product and came up with significantly varying results from theirs. The e-mail was set up to be nice and sincerely inquisitive, with lots of proper, respectful wording in the greeting and closing, so they should have replied back just to defend their position and keep their good name to a potential customer. But, nada/zilch/zip in replies from them...and that inquiry was made over 3 months ago.

Interesting, thanks for the report!

--Ethan