DVD as audio recorder???

[goldtopchas]

With the price of dvd recorders dropping lately, I was thinking of getting a cheap one. I've seen them as low as 79.00 . I was wondering. If you ran into the audio inputs on the back with the rca's and just recorded audio, what ends up on the disc? What format is it? Could you play it back in a cd/mp3 player?

[Dr ZEE]

Originally Posted by goldtopchas

With the price of dvd recorders dropping lately, I was thinking of getting a cheap one. I've seen them as low as 79.00 . I was wondering. If you ran into the audio inputs on the back with the rca's and just recorded audio, what ends up on the disc? What format is it? Could you play it back in a cd/mp3 player?

I'd imagine:
DVDs/DVD-Rs for DVD players. CDs/CD-Rs for CD player and most (if not all) DVD players. mp3-audio discs - for some CD-players (that can play mp3s) and most DVD-players (that can play mp3s).
A CD-player would not know what to do with DVD/DVD-R, and if it knew, then pobably would not be able to .
If I'm not mistaken some DVD-recorder can also record CD-R audio and some other CD-R formats on recordable CD as well as DVD on recordable DVD, but then what's the point? - It's just a CD-R recorded on the machine that can record DVD, which is the same thing as any CD-Recorder whould do, while not being able to record DVD
...well, that's what I'd imagine. John said: "...no religion too", - but that I can't do.

[themaddog]

I've thought about this in the past, but I don't know how good the audio analog to digital converters are, particularly on these low-end units. In addition, it would be unlikely that you'd be able to record a CD-R in a DVD recorder, and you definitely would not be able to play back a DVD-R or +R in a CD player.

However, you would be able to rip the DVD-R or +R audio in a computer, but I'm not sure what the quality would be, much less if anything would be lost within this digital conversion process.

It would be interesting to find out how good these audio analog to digital converters are, as well as at which rate they sample.

-MD

[Slowrider]

Always wondered that myself. Let us know how it works out.

[BRDTS]

......."If you ran into the audio inputs on the back with the rca's and just recorded audio, what ends up on the disc? What format is it?....."

It ends up on the recorded dvd as an empty video ts file (if you have no video input hooked to the recorder as you're recording) and a linked audio ts file. Unplayable on anything other than a dvd player (once finalized that is).

Also, the ts files themselves can not be copied to a computer and subsequently read by standard music software as if they were standalone music files. The ts files would have to first be transcoded (which degrades the file) into components that could eventually be converted a further time and stripped down to isolate the embedded wav files. However, the wav files....now degraded...would be at 48k (the video standard) which would then have to be converted to 16 bit 44.1...and onward. There are ways of extracting exisiting stereo/surround music tracks out of commercial product, but that's a different story than starting at home and recording in to a set of dvd rca inputs. Further to all this mess, the a/d converters on a $79.00 dvd recorder represent about $7 converters. Not exactly top of the line for audio work. In fact, the quality is probably several magnitudes below bottom-of-the-line stuff.

[up-fiddler]

Originally Posted by BRDTS

......."If you ran into the audio inputs on the back with the rca's and just recorded audio, what ends up on the disc? What format is it?....."

It ends up on the recorded dvd as an empty video ts file (if you have no video input hooked to the recorder as you're recording) and a linked audio ts file. Unplayable on anything other than a dvd player (once finalized that is).

Also, the ts files themselves can not be copied to a computer and subsequently read by standard music software as if they were standalone music files. The ts files would have to first be transcoded (which degrades the file) into components that could eventually be converted a further time and stripped down to isolate the embedded wav files. However, the wav files....now degraded...would be at 48k (the video standard) which would then have to be converted to 16 bit 44.1...and onward. There are ways of extracting exisiting stereo/surround music tracks out of commercial product, but that's a different story than starting at home and recording in to a set of dvd rca inputs. Further to all this mess, the a/d converters on a $79.00 dvd recorder represent about $7 converters. Not exactly top of the line for audio work. In fact, the quality is probably several magnitudes below bottom-of-the-line stuff.

I think if you go through just one more conversion it turns itself into some form of Behringer gear. Seriously.... I think the point is, you probably aren't going to end up with the quality you want to listen to.