Anyone Here Ever "Jimmyfied" An LP?

[Mark7]

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I bought a couple of push/pull pots with the intention of using them for coil splitting, but I'm kind of tempted to wait a bit and buy another pair now.

[dave.....]

i have thought of doing that to a lp standard for some time now............as i am a big jimmy fan

[ggunn]

Originally Posted by Mark7

http://guitarelectronics.zoovy.com/product/WDUHH3T2204

I bought a couple of push/pull pots with the intention of using them for coil splitting, but I'm kind of tempted to wait a bit and buy another pair now.

I didn't know I was jimmyfying it, but I did that to the bridge p'up on my LP Custom a few years ago. I guess you could call it semijimmyfied.

It's kinda cool as a novelty, but I ended up not using the pull function much. If I want a single coil sound, my Strat does it a lot better.

[dave.....]

good point gordon

[Mark7]

Yeah, but the point is it's a different kind of single coil sound. Just like the sound ot a Tele's neck and bridge pick ups together is different to the sound of a Strat's neck and bridge pick ups together.

Of course, I realise you'd have to modify the Strat first to get that combination. But I think my point stands.

[ggunn]

Originally Posted by Mark7

Yeah, but the point is it's a different kind of single coil sound.

Different, yes, but not better, IMO. YMMV.

[Mark7]

That's not a very strong argument against though, is it? That it doesn't sound "better". The point isn't for it to sound "better" but for it to be acceptable.

I don't know enough about the difference between a single coil pick up and the component pick ups in a humbucker to be able to list the differences. But I'm pretty sure the same laws of physics apply in either case.

[ggunn]

Originally Posted by Mark7

That's not a very strong argument against though, is it? That it doesn't sound "better". The point isn't for it to sound "better" but for it to be acceptable.

I don't know enough about the difference between a single coil pick up and the component pick ups in a humbucker to be able to list the differences. But I'm pretty sure the same laws of physics apply in either case.

I'm not sure that this is an argument. I did it, and it was a useless mod for me. And yes, for me, sounding "better" is important. If it sounds "worse" I won't be using it. The tapped humbucker in my LP doesn't sound as good as my Strat, so if I want a single coil sound, I switch guitars.

BTW, if you take apart a regular humbucker, you'll find two single coil pickups that are pretty much identical to a Strat pickup.

Also BTW, I've done up two dual humbucker guitars with coil tapping and phase flipping, and they worked as I anticipated, but neither produced any additional usable (again for me, YMMV) sounds. They were educational to do from the standpoint of better understanding guitar wiring, but that was the extent of it.

So, anyway, I am not arguing the point. Do it or don't; it makes me no never mind.

[Mark7]

I suspect that the difference between a Strat single coil sound and a split Humbucker LP single coil sound lies in the electronics rather than the pick up.

[Mark7]

And the wood.

[ggunn]

Originally Posted by Mark7

I suspect that the difference between a Strat single coil sound and a split Humbucker LP single coil sound lies in the electronics rather than the pick up.

With the volume and tone all the way up, there is virtually no diff in the electronics.

[ggunn]

Originally Posted by Mark7

And the wood.

More that.

[Slowrider]

Originally Posted by Mark7

And the wood.

Would that be "Morning or Evening"?

[Mark7]

Boreham

(English people will get that)

[ocnor]

A coil tapped humbucker sounds nothing like a regular single coil pickup. I have a Strat with a full sized Seymour Duncan JB wired to a mini toggle switch for coil tapping. With the coil tapping engaged it sounds like a weaker/noisier version of a humbucker. If you want to sound like Jimmy Page use a Tele or a Strat like he played on all of his recordings.

[ggunn]

Originally Posted by ocnor

A coil tapped humbucker sounds nothing like a regular single coil pickup. I have a Strat with a full sized Seymour Duncan JB wired to a mini toggle switch for coil tapping. With the coil tapping engaged it sounds like a weaker/noisier version of a humbucker. If you want to sound like Jimmy Page use a Tele or a Strat like he played on all of his recordings.

"Nothing like" is a matter of degrees. It's definitely a single coil sound, and it's not a humbucker sound because it doesn't generate signal from two points on the strings (hence the harmonic cancellation and reinforcement) like a humbucker does. It is indeed weaker than it is in humbucker mode because it's only using half its coil area to generate the signal. There is some variability in the number of windings on humbucker pickups, so whether in tapped mode it's the same as a Strat single coil depends on the humbucker you start with.

But I agree that a single coil designed guitar sounds better than a tapped humbucker. Thinking more on what we were discussing yesterday, it seems to me that it is possible that the magnets in the disconnected coil right next to the working coil in a tapped humbucker could in some way affect the sound of the enabled coil.

[Light]

Originally Posted by Mark7

I suspect that the difference between a Strat single coil sound and a split Humbucker LP single coil sound lies in the electronics rather than the pick up.

Originally Posted by Mark7

And the wood.

Also, a big part of the sound of a Strat bridge pickup is the angle of the pickup. That is one of the main reasons taped humbuckers are never really satisfactory in the bridge possition of a Strat.



Light

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[Thurgood]

I had heard that the angle plays a sig. role in the sound of the bridge. Thanks for the confirmation Light. Much appreciated.

[Unsprung]

I don't know about "Jimmyfy," but I'm gonna "Jimify" my Epiphone Les Paul Jr. 90 with a Bigsby B5...as soon as I get a Tune-O-Matic bridge, to replace the stop bar tailpiece. Depending how my whim leads me, sometime in early 2007, I may buy a Gibson Les Paul Faded Double Cutaway, and add a Bigsby B5 to it as well. The only thing that'll stop me from buying the Gibson is, if I end up buying a Gretsch Electromatic G5127, which already has a Bigsby. Either way, I'll have both my surf guitar and rockabilly guitar sounds covered. Although the Gretsch is about $100.00 more than the Gibson, by the time I add the Bigsby B5 the price will be about even.

Matt

[ggunn]

Originally Posted by Unsprung

I don't know about "Jimmyfy," but I'm gonna "Jimify" my Epiphone Les Paul Jr. 90 with a Bigsby B5...

That would be to "Nielify" it, I believe.

[six]

would you expect a strat with a humbucker and a les paul with the same humbucker to sound the same?

why should a strat with a sc and a les paul with the same sc???

there's more tone in the non-electric parts of an electric guitar than many might think.