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10-09-2006
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I hate micing amps (Continued). I bought a vamp and here is my sample!
Tell me what you think here is 3 tracks of a demo I just wrote. There are 2 rhythem tracks panned left and right and one soloing just fooling around. It gets hetic eventually but I just was trying out the tone. What do you think do you think this tone is usable?
www.lightningmp3.com/upload/vamptest.mp3 This is using my new vamp 2 using the britt hi gain amp setting. 
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#2
10-09-2006
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I think it sounds like a modeler, but it's not necessarily unusable. There is a lot of higher frequency garbage in there that is annoying. I've never used the VAmp, but my understanding is you need to spend a lot of time tweaking the settings because the presets are not so good. For sketching out ideas, it's probably great, and the variety of sounds are a plus.
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10-09-2006
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Usable for laying down rough ideas. I've heard other tracks done with the V-amp, and thought is was capable of some cool stuff, but it seems like a lot of tweaking would need to take place for real sessions.
I'm still a fan of miking amps and playing around that way with the sound. (edit) which requires tweaking too of course - it's just more fun to me. (edit) Last edited by warble2; 10-09-2006 at 20:56..
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10-09-2006
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I agree with the others, modellers give you a huge pallet of sounds but you really do have to mold them to your needs. Generally speaking they tend to sound thin and pale, so any way you can warm and/or thicken them up helps. Just don't get lost in the tweak-o-rama. IMO you should build your patches when you're not working on a session, or at the very least just fine tune for the mix. Also, just because you have lots of FX doesn't mean you have to always use them. Often it's the basic stuff that you'll use the most. Check out any Vamp user groups for end user patches. I have a Korg AX1500G modelling pedal and get some good sounds out of it courtesy of other owners.
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10-10-2006
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the rythm's alright, very nice. the lead is ass sonically, thin and harsh imo.
maybe try another setting to compliment the rythm. different pickup setting? hell, I don't know. I was never able to get a good distortion guitar track, its difficult especially adding overdubs of more distortion. nothing to do with your playing, but it sounds like the lead is the exxact same setting of the rythm so maybe its just too much of the same freq.?
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10-10-2006
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Ouch, the digital, ouch. I've gotta say, the only modeller I've ever been able to bear was the Korg Ampworks. Yes, a $60 box. But everything else has sounded like this -- simply painful.
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10-10-2006
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My '83 Marshall has hated me ever since. I made the decision to go 'pro' after owning the x-vamp pedal version for 2 months. I loved that thing too!! Look, I am a home-studio player....I don't do gigs anymore cause I'm an old fart and eventually got pretty sick of it. So the rack is perfect for me....midi control aswell!!....perfect! Is it worth the extra cash?....if you have the cash then yes, if not, the vamp 2 (the one that looks like a 'sucked jube' will do almost exactly the same sort of stuff.....just not as easily.(in a controllability sense). If cash really is the root issue....X-Vamp is also just phenominal for direct to desk recording!! (as long as you have one of the 9 global parameters of LIVE or STUDIO correctly set!)....I wonder if this is one of the main reasons why so many people hate their virtual unit's sound......an incorrectly set-up unit?) ALL Virtual units really have come along way since I started home-recording 20 years ago....give them a shot, and if you don't like it, sell it on e-bay and go back to micing......simple. Remember, they are an ALTERNATIVE device, when used in the recording environment,.....u may decide that your Lead solo's sound great going thru a box, and the rest of the gits sound great thru your mic'ed amp!! Anyways.....with any of these 'boxes', they're all good in their own way! Regards, Superspit.
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10-11-2006
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The Damage Control analog stuff blows away the digital modellers.
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10-11-2006
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mmmm...obviously a very subjective topic..
But I guess that, just as we use different types of microphone, guitar players, singers, porn, pre's, amps to get the 'feeling' we want, the digital/analogue FX unit should be included in that list. It's just another wonderful tool we have the choice of utilizing. Would that be reasonable? I can't see anything replacing a microphone for a singer just yet,...but, maybe some day......? It's late, and I have a selection of porn, on DVD and VHS because the girlfriend isn't here.  (sometimes 'the real thing' just isn't available!!)Regards, Superspit.
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10-11-2006
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Yeah, it seems that no matter how much you tweek it, the guitars will always sound DI. It's not a bad sound, and there are instances where I was able to DI my guitar and get it to sound passible, but not great.
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10-11-2006
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Though I do have to say, I've had fun playing with my X V-Amp on vocals and drums. I'm really lacking in any equipment, so I have to make do. So I was trying to get a low, trashy industrial sound, and I put the drums through a mixer and then into the pedal, turned the gate, compression, and pitch shifter all the way up so it was down an octave and completely flat, and then distorted a bit. It was a little noisy, but it sounded awesome. Then the act I was getting that sound for decided to go all-electronic. Oh well.
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10-11-2006
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All this talk about modellers sounding "thin" and "pale". It makes me remember that most of you couldn't get a fucking good tone from a Les Paul and Plexi!
 http://www.phoenixlightandsound.com/...BossOfNova.mp3 That is a fucking JStation with a cheap ass Epiphone Les Paul with bolt on neck! Thicken up the tone and use a bit of spring reverb on your sounds and they will work out much better!
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10-11-2006
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The drums are horrible to listen to on this, but here is something more "heavy".
http://www.phoenixlightandsound.com/Audio/Toothache.mp3
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10-11-2006
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It kills me... people forget that a lot of a guitar's sound comes from your FINGERS! When I listen to the samples from the guy that "hates micing guitar amps" it sounds like you can hardly play to begin with so you will probably sound mediocre on no matter what. And I don't mean this to be insulting, but you need to realize where you are coming up short.
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10-11-2006
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The playing is fine. Sounds like The Stones style to me, nothing wrong with that. Beats two and one finger death metal riffs dudes are coming up with these days to try and pass off as songwriting.
I'd say if yer happy with it, go with it. Mic-ed up will probably not be too far off from it, and once you toss on some bass and drums, no one will notice. Best kept secret about modelers: don't tell people you used one.
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10-11-2006
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IMO, there's no comparison to micing an amp. The amp pushes air (when loud enough) that you can 'feel' through your monitors and cannot be emulated.
I would use a combo of both,.. or DI the guitar clean, and re-amp it. This way you can move the mic, try different mics etc. after the take has been done and the performer has gone home. Hope this help, -LIMiT
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Personally, I love to mic an amp! I really enjoy the process of finding the right mic combination and getting the tone of the guitar and amp on tape. After a bit of trial and error you can get it worked out. Modelers are OK to use with a mic'd amp but I would much rather use a close/distant mic set up. But again that's just me YMMV
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10-12-2006
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Leave My Girl Alone Dirty Pool BTW -- no comments on my singing, please, I'm not that great. -Zac
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