sync kinda off sync

[tone_aot]

I recently figured out how to sync my Triton with FL Studio(until i can afford an mpc ). I set the triton and fl on the same temp but for some reason, they get off tempo after a few minutes. I have no clue what to tweak to resolve this. Can anyone help me?

[DonF]

MIDI Time Code (MTC) is your friend.

If you just set the two devices to the same tempo, and press START, they will drift out of sync. This is because each device is using its own internal clock as a reference. You have to have some way of getting them both to march to the same drummer, so to speak. That's where MTC comes in. Get one device to transmit MTC (i.e., be the "master"), and set the other to listen to it (the "slave"). When you press START on the master, the slave automatically starts and stays locked in perfect sync with the master. (You have to have a MIDI cable connected from the master's MIDI OUT to the slave's MIDI IN, by the way.)

... Or perhaps you've already tried this, and for some reason it didn't work?

Don

[tone_aot]

I have the midi cable going from the midi out of the triton to the midi in of my audiophile sound card. The midi signal is going into FL studio and when i press start on the triton, FL starts also but gets off sync after a few measures. I tried the opposite setup of the midi out from audiophile going into the midi in of triton but i got no response from the triton. Imma grab my triton manual and see how to send mtc to FL.

[fraserhutch]

I don't know fl studio, but in most sequencers you have to ability to the them where they get their clock and whether to transmit midi clock and on what midi ports channels.

You didn't tell us who you want as the master and who you want as the slave. Where do your equences live? You need to have the master transmit midi clock on the proper port/channel and have the slave set its clock to external.

Originally Posted by tone_aot

I have the midi cable going from the midi out of the triton to the midi in of my audiophile sound card. The midi signal is going into FL studio and when i press start on the triton, FL starts also but gets off sync after a few measures. I tried the opposite setup of the midi out from audiophile going into the midi in of triton but i got no response from the triton. Imma grab my triton manual and see how to send mtc to FL.

[tone_aot]

Originally Posted by fraserhutch

I don't know fl studio, but in most sequencers you have to ability to the them where they get their clock and whether to transmit midi clock and on what midi ports channels.

You didn't tell us who you want as the master and who you want as the slave. Where do your equences live? You need to have the master transmit midi clock on the proper port/channel and have the slave set its clock to external.

I got it now. At first, i tried the triton as the master and fl as the slave. But, i like fl's sequencer better so i switched the cables around. At first it didn't work but i had to set the triton's clock to ext. It was dumn mistake. Thanks anyway guys!

[tone_aot]

Oh, FL Studio is fruity loops software. They changed the name to FL Studio when version 4 came out.

[Vadim]

Originally Posted by tone_aot

Triton with FL Studio(until i can afford an mpc ).

just wanna ask you a quick question:

are you using FL-studio because you dont have MPC yet or, using TRITON because you dont have MPC yet?

...I'm thinking of buying an MPC sooner or later, and I have similiar set-up as you do, I have FL-studio (and some other software) with my Roland VA76 keyboard, but I'm buying TRITON pretty soon...maybe I'll just use Triton with MPC,

[fraserhutch]

I knew that, I just meant that I don't know the package, never having used it

Originally Posted by tone_aot

Oh, FL Studio is fruity loops software. They changed the name to FL Studio when version 4 came out.

[tone_aot]

Like i said in an earlier thread, i got the midi connection to FL Studio to work. There's only one more thing i gotta get straight. For some reason, i can't go to the middle of the song. Whenever i hit play on Fl Studio, it goes back to the beginning on the Triton. All i can do is start from the beginning and record straight thru. I can live with that but if there's a way to move to different areas of a song, i wanna know!

[tone_aot]

Originally Posted by Vadim

just wanna ask you a quick question:

are you using FL-studio because you dont have MPC yet or, using TRITON because you dont have MPC yet?

...I'm thinking of buying an MPC sooner or later, and I have similiar set-up as you do, I have FL-studio (and some other software) with my Roland VA76 keyboard, but I'm buying TRITON pretty soon...maybe I'll just use Triton with MPC,

I'm using FL Studio because i don't have an MPC yet. I just use FL for the drum tracks. I record everything else with the Triton.

[altitude909]

I can live with that but if there's a way to move to different areas of a song, i wanna know!

Thats the difference between midi time code (MTC) and midi clock. It looks like you are just sending midi clock and start/stop so the triton is is just responding to "start" by starting at the beginning of the sequence. There is also midi continue but I have only briefly looked at the midi implementation in FL (and determined it was a joke) so I don't even know if its supported.

With MTC, the midi master will actually send time code (vs clock, which is just clock msgs at 24 per quarter note) which is based upon musical beats from the start of a song, played at a specific tempo. The MTC msg actually contains song position info so you can start where ever in the track and the slave should follow suit

Here is a good site about the midi spec and what everything does:

http://www.borg.com/~jglatt/tech/midispec.htm

[ssscientist]

Altitude -- here's a cut + paste from the site you linked

MTC is essentially SMPTE mutated for transmission over MIDI. SMPTE timing is referenced from an absolute "time of day". On the other hand, MIDI Clocks and Song Position Pointer are based upon musical beats from the start of a song, played at a specific Tempo.

Midi clock with song position pointer is the one that you should be recommending as the musical one, not midi time code.

Midi time code, as the above paragraph says, is a form of Society of Motion Picture and Television Engineers time code and is geared for video and for video capable sequencers like Nuendo. It's much better to just go with plain old midi clock, even though the name is less sexy.

[ssscientist]

Originally Posted by tone_aot

I can live with that but if there's a way to move to different areas of a song, i wanna know!

In the song screen of FL there's a little box that's set off the the far left on the top border of the Playlist screen and one of the options on there is 'Add Marker'. Clicking that will pop up a 'Marker Name' box that will place a marker at the start of the song. These markers can be slid down the timeline and placed anywhere in the song, and if you have too many you can right-click and use the 'delete marker' command. Then you can click on the markers to move thru the timeline of your song.

I was trying this function out as I was typing and found it to be kinda fussy but it does work. One more thing --- be sure the sequence in your Triton is as long or longer than the FL sequence.


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[tone_aot]

Ok i'm going to try that right now.