Toontrack EZ Drummer DFH

[dyingserenity]

ok im thinking about buying Toontrack EZ Drummer DFH
and some drum triggers to go along with it..what do i need exacly? do i need a interface to plug in the triggers with? i have a firepod for that...wjat about midi? how do i route all this up? please explain?

[StudioMxpx]

so nobody knows?

[Simman]

Originally Posted by dyingserenity

ok im thinking about buying Toontrack EZ Drummer DFH
and some drum triggers to go along with it..what do i need exacly? do i need a interface to plug in the triggers with? i have a firepod for that...wjat about midi? how do i route all this up? please explain?

Yes, you'll need something to plug the triggers into (i.e., a drum brain). Any one will do since all you need is the MIDI out. MIDI out of the brain into the MIDI in on the Firepod and you're done.

[turnitdown]

EZDrummer's EZX for DFH won't be out till September....
Go to their website for more info...
www.toontrack.com

[turnitdown]

Yes, you'll need something to plug the triggers into (i.e., a drum brain). Any one will do since all you need is the MIDI out. MIDI out of the brain into the MIDI in on the Firepod and you're done.

Not true at all...
EZDrummer is a loop library with samples built into an easy to use interface.
All you need is computer speakers and a VST host....

[breeeeza]

Originally Posted by turnitdown

Not true at all...
EZDrummer is a loop library with samples built into an easy to use interface.
All you need is computer speakers and a VST host....

It is as he is hoping to use triggers to trigger the midi so the triggers need to go into something like a drum brain, unless you get into audio to midi plug ins etc..

[StudioMxpx]

wouldnt drumagog be better? how is that?

[turnitdown]

It is as he is hoping to use triggers to trigger the midi so the triggers need to go into something like a drum brain, unless you get into audio to midi plug ins etc..

Then why use EZDrummer...??? I think there is some serious misunderstanding of the differences between EZDrummer and DFH....
Is still say he should go the the toontrack website, and read up....

[turnitdown]

wouldnt drumagog be better? how is that?

Drumagog replaces audio with samples.... very cool....
Do you guys ever use Google or go to the manufacture's websites???

[StudioMxpx]

i read about ez drummer..i dont know wtf it is exacly.is it samples or it is gay ass loops? is it like drum kit from hell supperior? i dont get it? and for drumagog i know what it does but how well does it work?

[turnitdown]

i read about ez drummer..i dont know wtf it is exacly.is it samples or it is gay ass loops? is it like drum kit from hell supperior? i dont get it?

It has "gay ass" loops.... you crack me up... what are you, in 4th grade??
Again, for the third time, go to the website... the website clearly explains EXACTLY "wtf" it is...
If you have specific intelligent questions, I'd be happy to help.

[Simman]

Originally Posted by turnitdown

Then why use EZDrummer...??? I think there is some serious misunderstanding of the differences between EZDrummer and DFH....
Is still say he should go the the toontrack website, and read up....

No misunderstanding here at all. I think you should take your own advise and go to the website and READ about EZ drummer.

[turnitdown]

No misunderstanding here at all. I think you should take your own advise and go to the website and READ about EZ drummer.

I own it, and 2 Groove Monkee packs of "gay loops".... I have no questions at all about it... I heard about it, researched it, bought it.... EZ...

(I really like it... I can throw together drum tracks in minutes.... that sound REAL good...)

[Simman]

Originally Posted by turnitdown

I own it, and 2 Groove Monkee packs of "gay loops".... I have no questions at all about it... I heard about it, researched it, bought it.... EZ...

(I really like it... I can throw together drum tracks in minutes.... that sound REAL good...)

From reading the website it states that it works in general MIDI; therefore, I would take that to mean that you should be able to trigger the samples via midi and not use the canned loops. I don't own ezdrummer (I own DFHS & DFHS C&V) so the real question is can the samples be triggered via midi.

The site seems to make the clam that it is a scaled down DFHS and even has a DFH expansion pack available. The last time toontrack had a scaled down version of DFHS they called it DFH 2 and it sucked (I know I'm sorry to say I own that as well ).

As for the guys rationale for using this with drum triggers I can only speculate that he is trying to build a lower cost solution to a DFHS setup.

[turnitdown]

EZDrummer works in GM, but some of the articulations (cymbals/hi-hats), don't benefit, due to GM limitations. It's on he FAQ in the forum sections for more info....

It's a great way to get fast tracks that sound good.... I use the loops and some packages from Groove Monkee, which I highly recommend.
It's a steal for the money..

I'm looking forward to the DFH EZX package (extension) for it....

[turnitdown]

Sinman... just for the record, I have no problem with you or your questions...
I had mistakenly confused you with another poster, making silly posts... sorry...

[Simman]

I don't think you will be able to trigger the samples in real time while playing an "electronic" kit but, toontrack clearly state the following:

"Possibilities for the user to add their own midi files to the library."

If this is the case then you should be able to play the drum part, recording midi, and use the file to play back the samples.

[Simman]

Originally Posted by turnitdown

Sinman... just for the record, I have no problem with you or your questions...
I had mistakenly confused you with another poster, making silly posts... sorry...

No problem....we're cool

[turnitdown]

Hmmmm... it comes with a keyboard diagram for the mapping, but doesn't specifically state "real time" ...

I can tell you I have used it as just VST instrument with some midi tracks I had built earlier, and it worked flawlessly.... It doesn't depend on proprietary loops...

[turnitdown]

don't think you will be able to trigger the samples in real time while playing an "electronic" kit but,

Just tried it.... (using a keyboard) Yup!! You certainly can.... I had no latency, and the velocity works perfect....

I don't know how you manage different symbal sounds based on crest vs. the rest of the cymbal, rimshots vs. snare hit, etc, but it seems to work perfect....

[Simman]

I trigger DFHS samples in real time while playing, it works OK. DFHS gives you the option of e-drum loads which doesn't load all of the samples (e.g., right hand & left hand hits, etc.). I will say that I built a killer rack mount PC to run it on.

The real time thing may not be a big deal; especially, if you're not an accomplished drummer. Recording just the midi data always gives you the opportunity to edit the midi track and correct any playing errors.

[Simman]

Originally Posted by turnitdown

Just tried it.... (using a keyboard) Yup!! You certainly can.... I had no latency, and the velocity works perfect....

I don't know how you manage different symbal sounds based on crest vs. the rest of the cymbal, rimshots vs. snare hit, etc, but it seems to work perfect....

Cool.....

Timing is everything. It looks like you just told me I could have done this for less money . Oh well.

No big deal I still like the DFHS and DFHS C&V

[idahoe]

without buying dfhs or anything i have acid pro 6, acoustic drum triggers, a drum module with midi in and out. can i record the midi in acid pro somehow (at the same time as recording audio) and then replace the midi with a sample that i have?
i dont know anything about midi as you can tell. thanks

[turnitdown]

can i record the midi in acid pro somehow (at the same time as recording audio) and then replace the midi with a sample that i have?

Yes... Do a search on "Drum Samplers". You will need (duh) drum samples, and a host application (like Battery, etc...)

That's about all I know about this stuff....

Good luck... It sounds like Simman knows his shit with this kind of thing...

[turnitdown]

You can also use the audio out from your drum module if you like the sounds..... instead of other samples.....