Lasting crashes?

[Jouni]

Hello.

I'm not the drummer of my band, but since our drummer is a quite bit of an alcoholic and has no cash at ALL, and in a need for new crash cymbals (which I'll be buying to get the band ahead) I want to know some LASTING brands on that subject???..

The last cymbals were Zjiltian stuff, a rock crash and a medium-thin crash, titaniumplated both, they lasted for 2 f*cking months before both were cracked, cut and grinded to a smaller diameter, and shattered again!!

The drummer is a fast blast-beater, played for years. No time to be heavy-handed. But still..

So, they tell me some older cymbals last better, but what brands should we look into??

[TheBigGiantHead]

Are you retarded?

Fire the drummer...dumbass.

[Elton Bear]

I would say get a better drummer without a drinking problem, definitely.

BUT, to be more helpful - Sabian (although I hate them) are the cymbals used by most metal drummers. They aren't as bright as Zildjians, but for a blast-beater that shouldn't matter. I think they should be solid cymbals, but saying that so should the Titanium Z's.

Maybe it's worth paying £30 a time for Stagg cymbals and replacing them every week

[RAMI]

First of all, I don't even know where to begin commenting on how utterly stupid it is you haven't kicked this idiot's ass out. Any problems that come from playing with this guy will be your fault as much as his at this point. It's beyond rediculous.

Second of all, while I do prefer Sabian cymbals myself, if this bafoon is breaking Zildjians every 2 months, he's either hitting WAY too hard or just doesn't know how to hit cymbals. There's no reason for cymbals to breaking that often.

If you're buying this fool his cymbals, then you both need therapy.

This has got to be the most redicuous thread I've seen someone start in a long long time.

[Anders]

Zildjian Z custom medium crashes are a good choice for a hard hitter. they are really loud but they will probably last a long time.

[Anomaly Design]

Why buy him cymbals if he's gonna break them in two months??

Tell him to kick the habit or kick him out.

[Jouni]

Thanks for the input..seems I need to defend myself here..

The ONLY other metal-drummer in town or near enough to practice with us burned the local church and is doing time... It's this one or NO drummer...
..except maybe a couple playing covertunes in weddings..

There are two different drummers responsible for those cymbals, so they wear fast..

This will be the ONLY time I'm doing this since NO-one else seem to earn squat.. and I like to play and practise with a drummer with cymbals and a band.. Its either this or I'm playing at home to a girlfriend... talk about a rock and a hard place....please, cut me some slack here.

We'll look at those Sabians.. His ride and china are Sabian and lasted from some 7 years back..

[tarnationsauce2]

Your drummer has bad technique. He needs to understand how to hit the cymbals, and how to place them so he doesn't hit them on the edge incorrectly.

To answer you question. Paiste RUDE's, Zildjian Z custom, Sabian Metal X cymbals are all known as the most robust in the business.

In the terms of sound quality, RUDE, Metal X, and then the Z's.

If he breaks them, then you know his technique is to blame. Not to say he can't break them because he will if he hits them wrong.

[orksnork]

Ziljdan Z Customs are great...sound really good and do last a good while.

my drummer is a real basher and he's only broken one in the last 2 years...

[jonnyc]

I'd say go Sabians, they're my personal choice and I think they have a 2 year full warranty. So if he breaks them, they'll replace them.

[petermiller]

I would say that you have quite a dilemna. The problem with cymbals breaking is more of a technique problem then it is a problem with what cymabals you use. The propper mounting of a cymbal and how it is hit are the most important things to consider. I find that the thinner the cymbal the less likely it is to break as long as these things are taken into consideration. And yes the stick matters as well, If you have a lumberjack back there swinging trees around then you might as well give up. Its simple in that case its either break sticks or break cymbals. Hitting the cymbal correctly is probably the mosty important thing though.

[RAMI]

Originally Posted by Jouni

Thanks for the input..seems I need to defend myself here..

The ONLY other metal-drummer in town or near enough to practice with us burned the local church and is doing time... It's this one or NO drummer...
..except maybe a couple playing covertunes in weddings..

There are two different drummers responsible for those cymbals, so they wear fast..

This will be the ONLY time I'm doing this since NO-one else seem to earn squat.. and I like to play and practise with a drummer with cymbals and a band.. Its either this or I'm playing at home to a girlfriend... talk about a rock and a hard place....please, cut me some slack here.

We'll look at those Sabians.. His ride and china are Sabian and lasted from some 7 years back..

Well, nobody can accuse you of not being a generous soul. Good Karma on you. Just be careful you don't get taken advantage of.

[orksnork]

to many players dont hit the cymbal at the correct angle too

[Supercreep]

You should be able to hit the cymbal at a variety of angles and velocities to produce the sound your looking for.

I play the drums very hard, because that's how I get the sound I'm looking for. Occasionally I will really light up a cymbal to get the degree of attack and volume I'm looking for. I've never broken a cymbal yet.

I'd take a look at the mounts to see if there is a problem there. Also, is the drummer rebounding from the cymbal hit or is he just mashing the fuckin' thing?

Good cymbals come with a warranty. Use it.

[NegadivOne]

The titanium cymbals are crap. IMO Zildjian is the only way to go. I am a metal drummer and I had 1 Z custom cymbal a while ago. It was really thick and loud but it broke faster than any other cymbal I had. Ive been playing drums for about 7 years. In the first year or so, I broke a Z custom and a Paiste cymbal. In the years since then Ive been using strictly A customs and Ive only cracked 1 cymbal. I play pretty hard and I use the aluminum Ahead sticks.

[RAMI]

Originally Posted by NegadivOne

Zildjian is the only way to go.

The ONLY way to go??? Oh well, then..case closed!!!!

[RAK]

I didn't really read through the reply posts, but let me say this. With the exception of defective products, drum heads and cymbals crack because of two reasons: the person doesn't know how to hold/use their sticks, or the person doesn't know how to tune their heads. (usually a combination of both).

Eventually things fall apart with age, it just happens. A cymbal cracking after 2 months? Either it was defective to begin with, or the drummer needs help on his technique.

Zildjian is the name. Sabian is good (they split from Zildjian). UFip is good. Paiste is good. Those are just the few that came to me now.

Cymbals are very subjective items, the only way to know what you like is to go to store and hit it over and over again until you find what you're looking for. They're sort of like snowflakes.

[Ironklad Audio]

to many players dont hit the cymbal at the correct angle too

i saw velvet revolver play a couple nights ago, and noticed that the drummer, along with most professional drummers, always hit his cymbals from a side angle by bringing his arms up with elbows bent and then straightening his arm, therefore extending it through the edge of the cymbal...as opposed to all of the garage drummers i know, who always seem to come straight down on their cymbals, and way too damned hard

[NYMorningstar]

How do you hit the cymbal correctly so it doesn't crack exactly?

[RAMI]

You should sort of "sweep" it as opposed to hitting it straight on with the middle of the stick.

[RAK]

Originally Posted by NYMorningstar

How do you hit the cymbal correctly so it doesn't crack exactly?

Loose grip and follow through the cymbal. Let the rebound happen naturally, don't force the rebound to happen. Practice.
Not sure this is the kind of thing that can be accurately described through text.

Also, don't ride on a splash with a marching snare stick.

[ermghoti]

If you're willing to buy cymbols, why don't you buy a whole kit, and teach somebody else to play drums?

Seriously, this guy has no idea how to play, (or get a job, or manage his life), so unless you fire him, you may as well buy the cheapest used cymbols you can find on craigslist, and keep a drill in the rehearsal space.

[scrubs]

Originally Posted by NYMorningstar

How do you hit the cymbal correctly so it doesn't crack exactly?

http://www.paiste.com/faqs/default.p...yid=3&faqid=78

http://www.zildjian.com/EN-US/zildji...ctechnique.ad2

[dgatwood]

Originally Posted by scrubs

http://www.paiste.com/faqs/default.p...yid=3&faqid=78

http://www.zildjian.com/EN-US/zildji...ctechnique.ad2

That first one explains why I haven't cracked any yet. My technique sucks, I'm sure, but my cymbals are slanted in such a way that I naturally hit it almost right.

My advice would be to look at the drummer and watch the angle at which his sticks hit the cymbals. Then tilt the cymbals until they're hitting close to straight down on them. Finally, rotate the drummer slightly so that he hits the side of the cymbal and not the leading edge.

Remember: it is often easier to move the set than to teach a drummer. Kidding!

[Swamp Gas]

I wouldn't buy them in the first place. Tell him to straighten up and buy his own stuff or he is gone. Second, he is not taking care of cymbals that you were kind enought to buy. Not cool. You're a cool guy for doing that, but sounds like this guy wants others to take care of his needs. He needs to grow up.