Programmed metal drums?

[NYMorningstar]

I notice lately a trend using programmed metal drum samples to either add to or replace recorded bass drums. I personally don't like the sound or effect but apparantly lots of peeps do.

I've just started playing drums and I'm curious. How do you drummers feel about engineers doing this? I know if I wrote a guitar passage, recorded it and then some engineer decided to dub in accents, I'd be pissed (especially if it improved it )

[orksnork]

are you talking about live or in a studio???
in a studio, whatever sounds best...
a lot of big studios will get a nice kick sound, and still layer a sample over it to fatten it up, give it more punch...whatever.

now if it came to live sound and i had a bunch of kids with clam chowder between their ears, playing their busted, sticker covered, spray painted, never tuned, neve reskinned pearl kit...and had the capability, i'd be inclined to give the kick some help

[Bulls Hit]

Trouble is a good kick sound is hard to get. I trigger kick samples all the time. Note that it's not actually 'dubbing' anything in. It's the same performance, just a different sound

[NYMorningstar]

Originally Posted by orksnork

are you talking about live or in a studio???
in a studio, whatever sounds best...
a lot of big studios will get a nice kick sound, and still layer a sample over it to fatten it up, give it more punch...whatever.

now if it came to live sound and i had a bunch of kids with clam chowder between their ears, playing their busted, sticker covered, spray painted, never tuned, neve reskinned pearl kit...and had the capability, i'd be inclined to give the kick some help

I understand the engineers point of view, I'm looking to see what drummers think about it.

[NYMorningstar]

Originally Posted by Bulls Hit

Trouble is a good kick sound is hard to get. I trigger kick samples all the time. Note that it's not actually 'dubbing' anything in. It's the same performance, just a different sound

Isn't a good kick sound hard to get because of the drummer's perfomance, skills and/or equipment? Shouldn't the engineer be trying to remain transparent?

[ermghoti]

Originally Posted by NYMorningstar

Shouldn't the engineer be trying to remain transparent?

The engineer should be trying to capture the best sounds possible, so the mixer doesn't have to up his methadone dosage.

[orksnork]

well, as someone who has spent the last 6 years touring, as a musician (guitar and vox) i'd agree with my statement above