Acoustic Guitar heeds some TCL

[timboZ]

Help me save this guitar track.

http://www.lightningmp3.com/live/file.php?fid=3775

The song is just vocals and one Acoustic guitar.

The Right side is direct in (Dry)
The left is miced with a Joe Meek JM27. (Dry)


This is not how I am planning on panning them I just did it this way in order to upload 1 file.

When I get the guitars to sound good then they end up sounding to thin.
Should I just use the miced guitar and not the DI?

[Kasey]

DI acoustic guitars are pretty much only useful in a live setting. i'd strongly recommend just micing it

[NL5]

It doesn't sound that bad!

You have some pretty severe phase issues tho - I'd fix that first.

[XLR]

I would have guessed that the mic'd guitar was on the right side. I like the sound on the right side, whatever it is.

Tim

[timboZ]

Originally Posted by Timothy Lawler

I would have guessed that the mic'd guitar was on the right side. I like the sound on the right side, whatever it is.

Tim

Thanks Tim.
Your right. I had my cables crossed.

You don't think the right side sounds to boxy. I thought is should be a little brighter. But what do I know, I'm mew to this.

[ido1957]

My preference is the left side.......sounds cleaner and brighter in my headphones.....

I added a bit more around 125 HZ and it seemed to fatten it up a bit - need some vocals though to really see how these sit in the mix.....

[Dogman]

TimboZ, something I have done, is to compress teh direct track pretty hard, and then blend it with a mic'd track, and it seems to fatten it up. Here is a song with some of the giutars stereo mic'd, and a direct track mixed in, and some parts are just one mic, and one direct, made stereo with a slight delay on one side. The Electric Gumby




(this took me about 2 weeks to splice together, so there are several slight changes in the sounds.)

[JeffLancaster]

The left side does sound cleaner and brighter, however it has that "electronic" sound characteristic that you often get from pickups on acoustic guitars. The right sound side has a much more natural sound, and I would prefer it, however unfortunately it seems to sound somewhat muddy and distorted. Perhaps that's the phase issue that NL5 is referring to, I don't have enough understanding of that to know - I just know that I'd like to hear the "natural" miced sound you have on the right, but clean like you have it on the left.

[bigbubba]

I don't know the left from right since on the home theater system and on the different recording apps they are so different and I've lost track of which is truly my left on this system. So I refer to the two guitars are the thick and the thin in the following.

The Thick - Sounds good but something is missing. After all, we should have better recording techniques than the days of John Denver.

The Thin - It's a little electric. You could say even regular electric with an acoustic pedal or something.

I'd go with somewhat of a mix of the two like Dogman suggested. As far the phases that the pros mention, I'll have to comment on that with one of those, "I ain't got a clue"s.

[timboZ]

I was playing around with what Dogman suggested.
I think It is going to work. I am compressing the DI hard and using just a bit of it to brighten things up. Also using a small amount of reverb on the miced track.
I will post a clip with the vocals to see what you guys think.
Thanks everyone.



Dog I owe you another beer. Come on over this weekend. Or stop on buy on your way to Jamfest.

[timboZ]

Originally Posted by NL5

You have some pretty severe phase issues tho - I'd fix that first.

NL5 What do you mean by phase issues. Is that just the alignment of the L and R or are you hearing something on just the mic side (the R).

[Dogman]

Originally Posted by timboZ

I was playing around with what Dogman suggested.
I think It is going to work. I am compressing the DI hard and using just a bit of it to brighten things up. Also using a small amount of reverb on the miced track.
I will post a clip with the vocals to see what you guys think.
Thanks everyone.



Dog I owe you another beer. Come on over this weekend. Or stop on buy on your way to Jamfest.

Why don't you get your butt to Jamfest dude?
How far is it from you?

[NL5]

Originally Posted by timboZ

NL5 What do you mean by phase issues. Is that just the alignment of the L and R or are you hearing something on just the mic side (the R).

The two tracks are out of phase...........

You can tell by switching them to mono, but you can see it if you zoom in on your daw I am sure.