how can i set up perfect harmony on a guitar processor?

[metalj]

My equipment is hughs and kettner amps, tc electronic gmajor, guitar.

I am a lone guitar player in my band. some songs i cover has guitar harmonies by two guitarists. My question is how could i set up perfect harmony with my processor or close so it sounds like two different guitars?

It has a pitch shifter which shifts the signal in the measurement of "cents".

How many "cents" = a whole note ??? If i need the harmony to be in 5ths, then how many cents would = 5 whole notes in the scale ??

I know how to delay the shifted notes so it sounds like two guitars, but the big question is the "cents" or is it something else ??

can it be done ??

thanks for any help.

[Dumby]

Dude, I'm not sure how that unit works but if you're looking for those maiden style harmonies or like in the slow master of puppets solo/hotel california or whatever, you need to set it to thirds.
HOWEVER; Simulated harmonies will never sound real because you usually have to set what key it's in, second of all, sometimes to get that "evil" or to make it less predictable you would throw in a flat third per say.Using 5ths on the E and A string sounds good but if you're looking for a shortcut you will have results that reflect that path. I lay harmonies all the time and I would never use those intellingent harmony processors because nothing ever sounds right. Using two tracks and doing it the old school way is one of those things that it is the only way in this case.

Perfect and processed just don't go together.

[DonF]

Each half step is 100 cents. So a perfect fifth, 7 half steps, is 700 cents.

Getting it to work in a diatonic scale will be tricky, though. Suppose you're playing a descending scale in the key of C. You play C, the harmonizer plays G. You play B, the harmonizer will play, not F, but F sharp.

Not meaning to discourage you, though. It could be cool.

Here's a link for you: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cent_(music)

Don

(Oops, looks like Dumby beat me to the finish. Oh well.)

[metalj]

Originally Posted by DonF

Each half step is 100 cents. So a perfect fifth, 7 half steps, is 700 cents.

Getting it to work in a diatonic scale will be tricky, though. Suppose you're playing a descending scale in the key of C. You play C, the harmonizer plays G. You play B, the harmonizer will play, not F, but F sharp.

Not meaning to discourage you, though. It could be cool.

Here's a link for you: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cent_(music)

Don

(Oops, looks like Dumby beat me to the finish. Oh well.)

Don thanks alot, ill give it a try.

Dumby I see your point. Im jut trying to get something close in a live situation, with just me playing. In the studio, i would of course play another track the old school way. Also, there is no programmiing of key in this one, it just adds a pitch shift to whatever you are physically playing on the guitar, so it will follow me. Again Im looking to get something close.

Maybe with some tap dancing on my midi board i can go between 4ths and 5ths or whatever when ever i need to. the channel swithching is seemless so with some practice it may work.

[MOFO Pro]

You could probably use a decent vocal processor to acheive the same for live work... In studio, Dumby's right... lay down two individual tracks, pitch and delay only simulate (poorly) two guitars...

The TC Helicon Voice works lets you map harmonies down to the individual notes... it would require exhaustive setup but you could save the patches individually and step through them when you're playing live (just don't punch up the wrong one)

My two CENTS

[metalj]

Originally Posted by MOFO Pro

You could probably use a decent vocal processor to acheive the same for live work... In studio, Dumby's right... lay down two individual tracks, pitch and delay only simulate (poorly) two guitars...

The TC Helicon Voice works lets you map harmonies down to the individual notes... it would require exhaustive setup but you could save the patches individually and step through them when you're playing live (just don't punch up the wrong one)

My two CENTS

MOFO PRO Are you sure about the vocal processor working with guitar? Im pretty sure i read that they have instrument level inputs, but only alow that input to use the reverb and delay i think it said. not sure, ive tried doing my own research, and came across something to that nature on TC's vocal processors.
thanks

thanks

[MOFO Pro]

I've got the Voiceworks... I'll look it up... you can use a direct box to bring your instrument up to line level...

[MOFO Pro]

The Line in follows the same signal path (through the harmony generator) as the mic input unless the mic input switch is selected (then it follows the Aux buss through the effects only).

You will need a DI because the unit doesn't support instrument level.