Trim

[oz_fenda]

Hi, I'm recording through a Behringer 1202 FX, and don't know what the Trim nob at the top is for....Should I leave it at zero? Put it half way? I need to record a band so guitar drums bass vocals......
sorri i just have no idea what it does and don't want to ruin a track by using/not using it....
thanks

[bennychico11]

the trim knob is your preamp gain for the microphone and line inputs. Leave the channel fader at unity and turn this one up to increase gain in your recording signal.

[random.hero]

good call benny

[brandrum]

Originally Posted by random.hero

good call benny

yea...good call on relaying some pretty basic info....quit trying to boost you post count twit.

[oz_fenda]

k so correct me if i'm wrong.....i leave the level alone and set it halfway or something? and then make the track louder by using the gain nob? should i use the main mix (master volume) before i use gain?
sorri for the dumb questions again thanks for the help, appreciate it!

[rayc]

The Gain Trim is for boosting the INCOMING signal AS you set up & set peak levels to record and to adjust whilst recording.
I seem to recall that this section is for relaying BASIC INFORMATION to those who haven't developed the experience or expertise.
Acknowledging some one for doing that is affirmating as well as recognising the achievment of the forum's aim and isn't, necessarily, as cynical an exercise as dropping in to bag someone.

[Kevin Deschwazi]

Originally Posted by oz_fenda

k so correct me if i'm wrong.....i leave the level alone and set it halfway or something?

When tracking leave all of the faders (including master) at unity (it might be a zero or it might be a number 8 laid on it's side), it's usually more like 3/4 of the way up.

Then like the others said the trim pots are used to set the gain of the inputs while tracking.

Faders are used to adjust levels at mixdown, if you mix inside the box you shouldn't need to use the faders on your mixer at all.

[mx_mx]

Originally Posted by brandrum

yea...good call on relaying some pretty basic info....quit trying to boost you post count twit.

Good call on giving him shit....



Oh no, now Im doing it

[brandrum]

Originally Posted by mx_mx

Good call on giving him shit....



Oh no, now Im doing it

....it's ok....really..

[bubbagump]

MOre to the point... you will have to adjust your trim to a differnt setting for ever source. Some mics are hot, others not so hot. a snare drum will put out a lot more volume, thus more gain, than a harp. So hopefully on your mixer you have way to monitor PFL (pre fader listen). This is very important as having your pregain to hot will cause distortion and too low will cause a weak signal and poor S/N ratios.

Upon looking at the UB1202, it looks like it only has a clip light. So in your case having no PFL meter, you will want to place your mic and turn the gain all the way down. Then, have someone play whatever the instrument is at the loudest volume they play to play it while recording. While they are playing, gradually turn the gain up until the red clip light comes on and then back off a bit until the clip light never comes on. Now your gain is all set.

[daav]

Originally Posted by oz_fenda

Hi, I'm recording through a Behringer 1202 FX, and don't know what the Trim nob at the top is for....Should I leave it at zero? Put it half way? I need to record a band so guitar drums bass vocals......
sorri i just have no idea what it does and don't want to ruin a track by using/not using it....
thanks

Yes for that mixer DO leave it at zero, that is your best possible choice.

Kidding, the mixer (and preamps) are below par, but I had a behrry that worked fone for me for while, so don't take that seriously.

My only real useful input is to note that this discussion is about (vocab word) gain staging, and is a huge part of getting used to recording. Do experiment with this, don;t even think that you are going to plug in, set this to a certain level and get fantastic recordings. Not to be discouraging- more to the point, you should expect some disapointments and be prepared to treat them as learning experiences. The posts are good, and give you a starting point, but next you need to get dirty. Set up your mics, make a series of test recordings with the trim at different places until you feel you ahve somehting that sounds as good as it can don't expect as good as you hear it with your ears, or anywhere near as good as you hear on pro recordings.

but, as mentioned, expect it and start learning. Move the mic aroudn and make more adjustmetns and tests, try other mics if you can get your hands on them. Read up on and mess with the EQm and effects and see how they alter the recording (as a rule you want to add this stuff to the recorded signal in the mixing stage if possible, since if you do it while recording you can't undo it later).

at that point you should be pretty frustrated, but you will have learned a good bit through trial and error, and now you can realize how bad your room sounds, and how out of tune your instruments are, etc. They you can spend several months buyequipment to compensate for that, then you are hooked and you will start bothering all the hardward stores in town about how their insulation department is woefully understocked and what dot hey mean they have no idea what the noise absorption is on their stock, etc etc etc

Good luck!
Daav

[oz_fenda]

k great thanks for all the replies!

[random.hero]

brandrum is a raging homosexual...
there, i said it
why are you always such an ass?
why would i give a fuck on how many posts i have?
i was just saying listen to that guy, his information was good, he told the person all they wanted to know, and he knows what hes talking about unlike you. dumb pile of shit. worthless waste of life. i cant believe how fucking annoying you are (brandrum), why would you go out of your way to be a little faggot bitch like you are?
sorry for turning this thread into something it shoudlve never been, but we should all know to stay away from that fag brandrum...

[random.hero]

i know i just went out of my way to bash u, but i had to.
honestly

[OhSh1rt]

Originally Posted by random.hero

i know i just went out of my way to bash u, but i had to.
honestly

And yet another worthless post not helping out the forum, Oh wait this one is useless, but not as poorly wirtten. Oh Shi-


-jeffrey

[random.hero]

i know, its kinda infectious...
seems to happen and completely ruins the thread...
sorry guy